2017 Tour de France

[Tubehunter]

If any of you were strong enough to have been a part of this sprint you would know that there will be serious jostling for position and people attempting to take wheels wherever they can in the run up to the finish as every bit of drafting assistance yields massive gains for those final metres. 

 

Sagan reacted to Demare sweeping wide to come round and by his own admission knows he was in the wrong to take Cavendish's line away, as he did not anticipate him being there. Why else would he go to the bus to apologise? 

 

Was there malice though and did it warrant a DQ? Not in my view. The elbow everyone is fixated on is a non event and from Cavendish's bike hitting Sagan's arm. 

[Gen]

I was hoping I would feel better about it this morning.. I don't

 

One thing I will say is that the double world champ and someone who is highly respected within the peloton and who is also one of the good things about cycling, deserved better than a knee jerk reaction from the them. They made the decision really fast, they could've reviewed all images and videos for a long time before making a decision. He isn't know for being a dirty sprinter. .yes sprints get ugly but it's not like he is known to do things that Bouhani does hell Cav is known for going in with his head and has gotten away with causing plenty crashes.. Greipel had elbows out during that sprint too..Demare was all over the place almost taking Bouhani out.. all I am saying he as least deserved for them to really take their time and review it more before ruling. So much lead to that incident the sprint was a complete mess..almost all if them we're all over the place.

 

Yes and it isn't the end of the world and life goes on and the Tour will continue. But it has lost a lot of spice...

 

Go Greipel!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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[Gen]

It's possible that the race jury will review their decision with newer evidence

They can do whatever they want as they're in charge

 

Chances are slim, but possible ????

They won't. .then they would have to admit they made a mistake.

 

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[Squier]

Really stupid decision. Relegated, perhaps. DQ, no way.

 

Dimension Data losing a lot of support today. Oh well, I guess the kids can walk.

[Tothehills]

Also trying to make sense of what happened.

Look at the sequence of pics and make up your own mind

 

 

[Tothehills]

So Cav was sitting on Frencies wheel. Sagan was next to Cav

 

 

[Bub Marley]

If any of you were strong enough to have been a part of this sprint you would know that there will be serious jostling for position and people attempting to take wheels wherever they can in the run up to the finish as every bit of drafting assistance yields massive gains for those final metres.

 

Sagan reacted to Demare sweeping wide to come round and by his own admission knows he was in the wrong to take Cavendish's line away, as he did not anticipate him being there. Why else would he go to the bus to apologise?

 

Was there malice though and did it warrant a DQ? Not in my view. The elbow everyone is fixated on is a non event and from Cavendish's bike hitting Sagan's arm.

Sorry but the elbow is not a non event. He caused the accident by coming accross and basically forcing cavendish into the barriers. Cavendish leans on Sagan because he doesn't have anywhere else to go. Ideally Cav would brake but again you can't just brake in a full blooded sprint as the guy from behind will go straight into you. If Sagan left it like that even with Cav falling, he'd have been docked the points and time but wouldn't have been disqualified. The fact that he threw an elbow, regardless of whether he connected or not, means automatic DQ.

 

I cannot believe people are excusing the elbow because Cav was already going down and because he never connected. It doesn't make a difference. The intent was there and it's the right call.

 

I don't harbour any hate towards Sagan. He's still a favorite of mine but sometimes in the heat of the moment when the adrenaline is pumping you just do stupid things which you regret after. This is one of them. These incidents should be judged on merit not on the persons history. Just because Sagan is a fan favorite does not excuse him from punishment. Had this been any other rider, there would not even be a debate about it.

[Tothehills]

And the Sagan moved to the right

 

 

[Tothehills]

Then Damare moves left, almost taking out Bouhanni.

Bouhanni's left knee is an indication that he had to swerve

 

 

[Gen]

And the Sagan moved to the right

The overhead shows that there was space behind Demare 's wheel..they both went for it..

 

What happened next was madness. . Cav leaning in with his head, Sagan started losing balance the elbow and left leg came out to try regain balance and basically Cav bounced off Sagan..

 

There is a close up video going around (and posted here somewhere) where you can see that happening. .

 

Relegated and points docked sure.. but DQ, no that was harsh.

 

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[Tubehunter]

Sorry but the elbow is not a non event. He caused the accident by coming accross and basically forcing cavendish into the barriers. Cavendish leans on Sagan because he doesn't have anywhere else to go. Ideally Cav would brake but again you can't just brake in a full blooded sprint as the guy from behind will go straight into you. If Sagan left it like that even with Cav falling, he'd have been docked the points and time but wouldn't have been disqualified. The fact that he threw an elbow, regardless of whether he connected or not, means automatic DQ.

 

I cannot believe people are excusing the elbow because Cav was already going down and because he never connected. It doesn't make a difference. The intent was there and it's the right call.

 

I don't harbour any hate towards Sagan. He's still a favorite of mine but sometimes in the heat of the moment when the adrenaline is pumping you just do stupid things which you regret after. This is one of them. These incidents should be judged on merit not on the persons history. Just because Sagan is a fan favorite does not excuse him from punishment. Had this been any other rider, there would not even be a debate about it.

 

Yep Bub, because someone riding into you wont affect your handling at all....

Cav rides into Sagan as he moves across with everyone drifting left trying to take away that channel. Sagan's elbow goes out so that the arm doesn't go forward from the contact and change the steering of the bike with the right hand pushing the bike into an involuntary left turn. 

[Shebeen]

Sagan's elbow is a non event, look at his left knee and you can see it is him just trying to balance on the bike.

 

From the front on view it looks like he's biffed cav, but there is huge day light.

 

Him moving his line is the issue, and I hope that is what the decision was made on. But even that is harsh there is no consistency

[Zatopek]

Also trying to make sense of what happened.

Look at the sequence of pics and make up your own mind

I only see Newton's third law  (and where Cav is ranked on an imaginary momentum hierarchy)

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[Jase619]

SNIP

 

I cannot believe people are excusing the elbow because Cav was already going down and because he never connected. It doesn't make a difference. The intent was there and it's the right call.

 

SNIP

 

Excuse me for nitpicking, but what do you presume his intent was here? I say presume as it is impossible to tell what he actually intended to do here, as we don't know what he was thinking, or whether he was thinking or reacting to the situation.

[nochain]

@tothehills it's a bit frustrating to see people say Cav went for a Gap that was not there...What BS!!Cav was always following Demare and had the line from the start.Sagan was stuck behind other guys and had no choice to force a gap on the right.He went for it and Cav is out of tour because of it.

BUT we see guy change lines all the time and lots of crashes happen because of it.Sending Sagan home is crazy in my opinion.

I think in general we see a "soft" approach to everything these days.Cycling is a hard sport but lately the wind must just be wrong then we stop a race or a crash will send the wrong message and so on. Miss the hardcore days!!

[Gen]

Yep Bub, because someone riding into you wont affect your handling at all....

Cav rides into Sagan as he moves across with everyone drifting left trying to take away that channel. Sagan's elbow goes out so that the arm doesn't go forward from the contact and change the steering of the bike with the right hand pushing the bike into an involuntary left turn.

People only saw the elbow. .in real time it looked bad. . But like everyone, on review you see more..hey wait a minute..this and that happened and this lead to that..

 

If they want to be consistent then everyone but a Greipel and Kristoff involved in that sprint should be DQ .

 

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