Zub Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 A nice pic of that elbow So you want to judge an episode of 5 seconds with one screenshot? LOL
nickc Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 So Gen is going to have to comfort her boyfriend over his unfair disqualification.
Gen Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 The overhead spoken of earlier.. here you see Cav already starting to lean in Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
JA-Q001 Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Also trying to make sense of what happened.Look at the sequence of pics and make up your own mind Ok, my final point and then I will let fanboys lay. Look closely at the second last pic, you can clearly see no gap between Cav and Demare, Cav was following him, having chosen the correct wheel from the start. Sagan is noticing demare coming past and starts to move over. Last pic, notice that the front wheels of Sagan and Cav are in the same line! Sagan knew Cav was there, there is no way Cav could have ridden "into the back' of Sagan. Sagan saw that Cav had the correct wheel and wanted the wheel, he tried forcing Cav off of it. Don't lie to yourself. People are seeing what they want to see because they love Sagan. just because he is likable, he can be reckless and get away with it, because 'he would never do that', 'he has done so much for the sport'. Sounds like the same excuses used for Armstrong. I like Sagan, but dont make him a GOD that is incapable of doing wrong.
kosmonooit Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 UCI Commissars are untouchable and generally on a power trip .... Remember how they heartlessly excluded Ted King in the Team TT a few years ago because he was recovering from a crash? Even if the world agrees that this exclusion was a wrong decision, they will not back down because they view their views as gospel and The Truth
gummibear Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 sprinters are just proper @ssh0les...They have to be to survive those sprints[emoji15] Sprints make the races interesting and will be boring without those testosterone fueled finishes [emoji106][emoji106]
'Kaze Pete Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 "The controversial ejection comes as the UCI and race organizers have made a push to create safer race conditions. A new rule that widens gaps to three seconds was introduced for this Tour in part to alleviate the pressure during the sprints. UCI jury president Philippe Mariën said the UCI race jury met with riders and teams before the start of the Tour to caution them not to take unnecessary risks in the bunch sprints, and that the race jury would be taking a heavy hand on what they deemed as dangerous sprinting." - Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/uci-jury-president-defends-sagan-decision_442753#BGuO5FZlUuH0Xyyl.99 UCI tried to create a safer sprinting environment with the warning of harsher action. Pity for most that the first casualty of this harsher action / dimmer view on incidents is Sagan, but that is that
Tubehunter Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Ok, my final point and then I will let fanboys lay. Look closely at the second last pic, you can clearly see no gap between Cav and Demare, Cav was following him, having chosen the correct wheel from the start. Sagan is noticing demare coming past and starts to move over. Last pic, notice that the front wheels of Sagan and Cav are in the same line! Sagan knew Cav was there, there is no way Cav could have ridden "into the back' of Sagan. Sagan saw that Cav had the correct wheel and wanted the wheel, he tried forcing Cav off of it. Don't lie to yourself. People are seeing what they want to see because they love Sagan. just because he is likable, he can be reckless and get away with it, because 'he would never do that', 'he has done so much for the sport'. Sounds like the same excuses used for Armstrong. I like Sagan, but dont make him a GOD that is incapable of doing wrong. You're allowed your opinion.... even if it's wrong. There's a small gap behind Demare and as he pulls alongside Sagan, Sagan tries to take his wheel not anticipating Cav there, who does in fact ride into Sagan from behind, drawing up next to him as he is going down.
Gen Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 "The controversial ejection comes as the UCI and race organizers have made a push to create safer race conditions. A new rule that widens gaps to three seconds was introduced for this Tour in part to alleviate the pressure during the sprints. UCI jury president Philippe Mariën said the UCI race jury met with riders and teams before the start of the Tour to caution them not to take unnecessary risks in the bunch sprints, and that the race jury would be taking a heavy hand on what they deemed as dangerous sprinting." - Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/uci-jury-president-defends-sagan-decision_442753#BGuO5FZlUuH0Xyyl.99 UCI tried to create a safer sprinting environment with the warning of harsher action. Pity for most that the first casualty of this harsher action / dimmer view on incidents is Sagan, but that is thatAnd Demare. .no penalty for him?.. he may not have directly caused the crash but he sure did start a ripple effect. Again.. they are inconsistent. This is why no know knows exactly what action will result in what reaction .. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
Patchelicious Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Here is another angle of the crash, you can clearly see that Sagan was at fault! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EDCSzKSx660/Udzclj65tVI/AAAAAAAAEx0/bhIY2BpmFFc/s1600/mark_cavendish_crashes_tom_veelers_in_2013_tdf_stage_10_sprint_finish-63642.gif
Gen Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Here is another angle of the crash, you can clearly see that Sagan was at fault! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EDCSzKSx660/Udzclj65tVI/AAAAAAAAEx0/bhIY2BpmFFc/s1600/mark_cavendish_crashes_tom_veelers_in_2013_tdf_stage_10_sprint_finish-63642.gif[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
Fat Boab Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Here is another angle of the crash, you can clearly see that Sagan was at fault! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EDCSzKSx660/Udzclj65tVI/AAAAAAAAEx0/bhIY2BpmFFc/s1600/mark_cavendish_crashes_tom_veelers_in_2013_tdf_stage_10_sprint_finish-63642.gif That Rainbow jersey must be magnetic, with the ability to change polarity at will!
JoeyK Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I would like Dimension Date to do good in the tour and maybe take a few stage wins, however I think that will be hard now. What did bother me a bit, and I see nobody made a remark about that, is the fact that Mark could not stay on the 2 man lead out to the sprint. About 300m to go he dropped and the DD lead out did not see it. Few years back Marks lead outs were perfect. I think that last kick in the road caught Cav out and he did not have the legs to stay with his lead. Is Cav not in the form he was or did his lead go to hard to early (which I doubt)?
Patchelicious Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Ok, my final point and then I will let fanboys lay. Look closely at the second last pic, you can clearly see no gap between Cav and Demare, Cav was following him, having chosen the correct wheel from the start. Sagan is noticing demare coming past and starts to move over. Last pic, notice that the front wheels of Sagan and Cav are in the same line! Sagan knew Cav was there, there is no way Cav could have ridden "into the back' of Sagan. Sagan saw that Cav had the correct wheel and wanted the wheel, he tried forcing Cav off of it. Don't lie to yourself. People are seeing what they want to see because they love Sagan. just because he is likable, he can be reckless and get away with it, because 'he would never do that', 'he has done so much for the sport'. Sounds like the same excuses used for Armstrong. I like Sagan, but dont make him a GOD that is incapable of doing wrong. Degrading those with opposing opinions to try and discredit them is a bit not cool...? Some people can be supporters and still have rational and logical opinions....
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