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The flat corners im dealing with have a dirt rock garden of ruts, water damamged holes and the soil is so loose you can't slow down,then I stand there watching and see garlicki and pottie hit it and wonder how they don't slip out

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Nope. This will not work for mongooser who is a purist roadie turned into xc racer. Only the lightest pedals and shoes will do, and thus he uses clipless.

 

For everyone on flats though, great tegniek!

that explains why I have a DH and DJ bike haha Edited by mongooser
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Excellent advice.

 

Practice as well. It takes kahunas not to panic when the bike is scrabbling for grip past the apex and you are heading for the outside of the track at speed.

 

When racing I always used to start slow and build up - running the same corner multiple times and adding speed slowly until you are where you can feel the bike starting to misbehave and cam feel the signals its starting to give you. If you just go there straight away you wont get this build up and feedback and be sensitive to it.

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Don't underestimate the difference your tires can make in terms of grip and cornering ability ;)

I run a 2.50 on my bike new bike has 2.8's

This better work!

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the hip turn helps maintain your body's CoG over the tyre contact patch with the ground, and helps you lean that bike over, especially when you keep your feet on the pedals when cornering. But for foot-out guys, it's a little bit different.

 

examples with hip turn and feet on pedals:

 

Mr EWS himself

http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2014/12/carpark-cornering-1.jpg

 

Mitch Turnaloto

http://www.mountainflyermagazine.com/img/upimages/eddie_clark/2013/GravityNats/EClark_130803_0307.jpg

 

Josh Ratboy Bryceland

http://www.mtbtelevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Meribel-700x600.jpg

 

Sam Hill:

http://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/img/photos/3/4/0/2/2/_/medium/SamHillSchladmingDH.jpg

 

 

For foot-out, being centered between the wheels in a fore-aft direction, is better, as you will use stamp your foot to generate a pivot point if the wheel's start skidding. Examples:

 

Sam Hill:

sp-dhi-meribel-hill.jpg

 

Sam Hill:

http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/stories/2013/02/28/max_hill_g7k0665.jpg

 

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb2165999/p4pb2165999.jpg

 

Because Sam Hill rides flats, he is a very good example of the two styles of cornering: feet up, or foot down, and how the body weight is distributed and whether the bike is leaned or not.

 

 

Just like this, if I remember then I do it as well. You will see the motorbike guys do this alot, and trust me it does work very well, if you do it correctly

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Just like this, if I remember then I do it as well. You will see the motorbike guys do this alot, and trust me it does work very well, if you do it correctly

Motox guys have throttle so the slow in fast out theorie works much better, chris nixon told me to go in slow and pump the corner for a faster exit,my time was 10 seconds faster using his advice,

Flat corners I hold the rear brake and use my foot to direct my bike,then again I've done dh 4 times so its just a matter of practice and different approaches right?

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Motox guys have throttle so the slow in fast out theorie works much better, chris nixon told me to go in slow and pump the corner for a faster exit,my time was 10 seconds faster using his advice,

Flat corners I hold the rear brake and use my foot to direct my bike,then again I've done dh 4 times so its just a matter of practice and different approaches right?

 

'10s'? How do you know it was from that then .... just asking

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Better yet, get a person like Julian Louw (Spelling) to do a 1 on 1 skills session with you.....know a few people who have used him, and they have been very happy with their development and the way JL tutors and spots other potential skills that need honing!

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the hip turn helps maintain your body's CoG over the tyre contact patch with the ground, and helps you lean that bike over, especially when you keep your feet on the pedals when cornering. But for foot-out guys, it's a little bit different.

 

examples with hip turn and feet on pedals:

 

Mr EWS himself

http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2014/12/carpark-cornering-1.jpg

 

Mitch Turnaloto

http://www.mountainflyermagazine.com/img/upimages/eddie_clark/2013/GravityNats/EClark_130803_0307.jpg

 

Josh Ratboy Bryceland

http://www.mtbtelevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Meribel-700x600.jpg

 

Sam Hill:

http://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/img/photos/3/4/0/2/2/_/medium/SamHillSchladmingDH.jpg

 

 

For foot-out, being centered between the wheels in a fore-aft direction, is better, as you will use stamp your foot to generate a pivot point if the wheel's start skidding. Examples:

 

Sam Hill:

sp-dhi-meribel-hill.jpg

 

Sam Hill:

http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/stories/2013/02/28/max_hill_g7k0665.jpg

 

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb2165999/p4pb2165999.jpg

 

Because Sam Hill rides flats, he is a very good example of the two styles of cornering: feet up, or foot down, and how the body weight is distributed and whether the bike is leaned or not.

Those pics, exactly how I think of myself when I ride my bike but in reality it's closer to this:

 

post-57045-0-90422600-1486538665_thumb.jpg

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Better yet, get a person like Julian Louw (Spelling) to do a 1 on 1 skills session with you.....know a few people who have used him, and they have been very happy with their development and the way JL tutors and spots other potential skills that need honing!

have done a group session with Julian and can vouch for that. Only thing is you need to keep practicing the skill or else old habits creep back in. Also ideally do a session every few months.

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'10s'? How do you know it was from that then .... just asking

My seeding run was 10 seconds longer,he told me after it to go in slow out fast.so in my race run I did and got a faster time,I did fall and get winded and still had a faster time,if I didn't fall it would've been 15 secs faster,yes I got back on the bike not able to breath lol
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Motox guys have throttle so the slow in fast out theorie works much better, chris nixon told me to go in slow and pump the corner for a faster exit,my time was 10 seconds faster using his advice,

Flat corners I hold the rear brake and use my foot to direct my bike,then again I've done dh 4 times so its just a matter of practice and different approaches right?

easy tiger ..... you mean to take the corner skidding your rear wheel?

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easy tiger ..... you mean to take the corner skidding your rear wheel?

Yeah I have to much speed coming in so I have to lock up
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