shaper Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Scientist behind Wada Salbutamol rules sided with Froomehttp://road.cc/content/news/244597-scientist-behind-wada-salbutamol-rules-sided-froome The sports scientist responsible for the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (Wada) Salbutamol regulations wrote in support of Chris Froome during his recent case. Ken Fitch says that he made a ‘terrible blunder’ and has been pressing Wada to change its rules for years.
HeadDown Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Imagine how cool this pressure and focus on SKY must be for the other teams? With all this attention on SKY the others have had very little scrutiny on them.True.
HeadDown Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Scientist behind Wada Salbutamol rules sided with Froomehttp://road.cc/content/news/244597-scientist-behind-wada-salbutamol-rules-sided-froome The sports scientist responsible for the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (Wada) Salbutamol regulations wrote in support of Chris Froome during his recent case. Ken Fitch says that he made a ‘terrible blunder’ and has been pressing Wada to change its rules for years. WADA have messed up BIG time. The battle against doping in elite sport has taken a major klap.
shaper Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 WADA have messed up BIG time. The battle against doping in elite sport has taken a major klap.Indeed... seems like a big OOPS!!
Fat Boab Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Indeed... seems like a big OOPS!! A bit like the anonymity of the AAF process, it makes you wonder how many of these analytical methods and limits have been, and are being, 'questioned' behind the scenes.....
EmJayZA Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Go the Villans!I reckon Sky released those details to give the impression they are doing 'stuff' no one else is. I don't know what the other big teams are doing but if they're not doing something similar to what's in the article I'd be seriously surprised. This type of "sports science" is also readily available to amateur athletes as well. My coach does the same for me. I have an Annual Training Plan (ATP) already populated down to stress score per week, peak fitness goals and timelines down to race, etc. My training is very specific, with intervals, paces, power output, goals, etc. The nutrition part is a little more tricky, but the information is there. The execution is the really hard part in all this, and the day to day decisions. That information may be a surprise to some, but I read it, and wasn't surprised at all. I actually expected a bit more tbh.
shaper Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 A bit like the anonymity of the AAF process, it makes you wonder how many of these analytical methods and limits have been, and are being, 'questioned' behind the scenes.....More interested why he is only speaking up now and not at the time of the finding saying the testing is flawed? And if CF was found guilty, am guessing he would have kept quiet
Neverfit Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Imagine how cool this pressure and focus on SKY must be for the other teams? With all this attention on SKY the others have had very little scrutiny on them.Well.....seeing that no publicity is bad publicity AND you have been cleared.... this actually helps promote SKY. Marketing dept can take a nice long holiday while WADA does the hype marketing for them
thisismyotherbike Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 More interested why he is only speaking up now and not at the time of the finding saying the testing is flawed? And if CF was found guilty, am guessing he would have kept quiet Makes sense, professionally he wants to disassociate from a process that has been demonstrated to be flawed.
Patchelicious Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Well.....seeing that no publicity is bad publicity AND you have been cleared.... this actually helps promote SKY. Marketing dept can take a nice long holiday while WADA does the hype marketing for themNot sure I agree with that, but that wasn't the point of my post. The point was, that the other teams could have been snorting lines of HGH off of each other and spending their weekends doing more Lemons than Leo and Jonah combined, and nobody would have noticed with all this attention on SKY.
EmJayZA Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Oh how fun it is looking back on some of the old comments: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cycling-boss-criticises-froome-s-team The UCI president was asked on Sunday if Sky's behaviour was damaging cycling."What do you think? Of course, yes," he said. How embarrassing.
thisismyotherbike Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 A bit like the anonymity of the AAF process, it makes you wonder how many of these analytical methods and limits have been, and are being, 'questioned' behind the scenes..... Exactly! And if a rider is flagged with an AAF and the ruling is ultimately in his favor, does WADA then adjust the procedure for that particular substance or do they just flag the next rider with an AAF again? Are they using the information/science presented by all parties in these cases to improve the process? We know of two high profile salbutamol suspensions, but what we don't know is if others have already had AAF's for salbutamol and later cleared of any wrongdoing. The anonymity is damaging all round I think. I understand that they want to protect the athlete's position as someone who still hasn't technically been found guilty, but NOW it looks like the anonymity has more to do with masking WADA/UCI shortcomings.
EmJayZA Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Exactly! And if a rider is flagged with an AAF and the ruling is ultimately in his favor, does WADA then adjust the procedure for that particular substance or do they just flag the next rider with an AAF again? Are they using the information/science presented by all parties in these cases to improve the process? We know of two high profile salbutamol suspensions, but what we don't know is if others have already had AAF's for salbutamol and later cleared of any wrongdoing. The anonymity is damaging all round I think. I understand that they want to protect the athlete's position as someone who still hasn't technically been found guilty, but NOW it looks like the anonymity has more to do with masking WADA/UCI shortcomings. Someone released the info on Froome to deliberately harm Sky and Froome. No one is being held accountable for that (well, insofar as we can tell). That info can be weaponized. It should be open to all to even out the playing field, or athlete identities should be completely anonymous (except for a few key individuals) to avoid any existing bias and prevent this from happening again. Results should then be released once the case has been decided upon.
Thor Buttox Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 May be fair or not but this is going to dog CF forever.Ag, it's a French poodle called Hinault. It would probably just piss on him.
thisismyotherbike Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Oh how fun it is looking back on some of the old comments: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cycling-boss-criticises-froome-s-team The UCI president was asked on Sunday if Sky's behaviour was damaging cycling."What do you think? Of course, yes," he said. How embarrassing. Ask him if leaking Froome's AAF was damaging to cycling.
Yo-Yo Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 I wonder what Sky & Froome will do now. There has been so much talk about how much money Sky have thrown behind this investigation and submission and that it's unfair on other riders who haven't had the money to do the same. If I were Sky I'd be wanting to reclaim that money from WADA / UCI as he's been cleared & then start with the damages that all this has had on Froomes career, reputation as well as Sky's position. I know Sky can afford it, I feel for the smaller guys who have to try to mount an defence, spend on money for lawyers, tests, doctors etc and then get cleared to have done nothing wrong and they have had to pay for it. The alternative is plea a deal, get a couple of months and get back to racing / earning a living. There has to be a better system for all of this. I'd also like the fool who leaked this to come forward and take a bit of heat for stupidity of the decision.
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