The Veganism Thread

[TIB]

I’m familiar with intestine compression, espesially if I OD on legumes.

Edited October 30, 2019 by TIB

['Dale]

  On 10/30/2019 at 6:26 PM, WrightJnr said:

Those are the little gaps you have between the hard intervals.

 

Now, to fuel for hard intervals I think one bowl of concrete should do the trick.

Hehehe

Chirp of the day ????

[Grease_Monkey]

  On 10/30/2019 at 5:18 PM, Josh_the. Man said:

This is what a ate today after some easy intervals.

What I don't understand is that I took this picture and it was 4MB and bikehub only allows 3.something MB. So I sent this picture to my friend so that he can send it back to me and then the picture lost its size??

 

Like Myles said, digital compression. Rather than sending pics around to make them smaller in future, what you can do is to take a screenshot of the photo, crop out all the bits around the edges you don't want, and voila - you a have a compressed image.

[GrahamS2]

  On 10/30/2019 at 2:25 PM, Odinson said:

Nice straw-man red herring [figure that's more appropriate], but "I dont live my life based on whataboutalisms" Neither you nor I am a starving Somali child. 

 

Let's reframe this: Bad Guy goes and robs a liquor store. A struggle breaks out and the proprietor gets shot and killed. At Bad Guy's first court appearance he gets up and proclaims "Morality is subjective. It's my personal choice to rob and kill. It fits within my moral framework. Who are you to judge?"

 

How do you respond?

a) "It's your choice. Who am I to judge your actions?"

b) "No. Personal choice does not extend to situations in which your actions cause suffering to others."

Poor example. Law and morals are very different topics. There is a law against killing people, otherwise a lot more people would do it, I can assure you. Eating animals is a moral choice (that the VAST majority of humans have no problem with).

[Odinson]

  On 10/30/2019 at 10:52 PM, GrahamS2 said:

Poor example. Law and morals are very different topics. There is a law against killing people, otherwise a lot more people would do it, I can assure you. Eating animals is a moral choice (that the VAST majority of humans have no problem with).

No. I’m not talking about his trial. I’m talking about the morality of his actions. Not legality.

[forkie]

  On 10/30/2019 at 3:17 PM, Odinson said:

So what's the game then, Patch? 

 

We can't know the mind of a non-human animal, thus their suffering does not deserve moral consideration. Neither can we know the mind of another person, thus their suffering does not deserve moral consideration. 

 

Empathy allows is to understand our actions from the victim's perspective. 

Humans are separate from nature, mostly due to our intelligence. In nature animals are killed all the time in horrendous ways. The fact that this happens tells me that animals do not suffer in the same way that we understand suffering. Its like when you cut yourself and you only feel the pain once you actually see the injury. Animals do not have that capability due to their lower intelligence. As a result we do not need to give animals the same moral consideration as we give humans. They do deserve consideration and respect, but not to the same degree as humans.

[Odinson]

  On 10/31/2019 at 6:11 AM, forkie said:

Humans are separate from nature, mostly due to our intelligence. In nature animals are killed all the time in horrendous ways. The fact that this happens tells me that animals do not suffer in the same way that we understand suffering. Its like when you cut yourself and you only feel the pain once you actually see the injury. Animals do not have that capability due to their lower intelligence. As a result we do not need to give animals the same moral consideration as we give humans. They do deserve consideration and respect, but not to the same degree as humans.

Humans are not separate from nature. We are of nature. I’m not sure how you arrived at that.

 

We can objectively know that animals have the capacity to suffer. From physical pain to emotional distress (e.g. zoochosis). They can act in an altruistic fashion. They can understand fairness. These are all traits of sentience. All animals aren’t intelligent in the same manner, but are equal in their capacity to suffer.

 

We do not need to fret about giving animals the right to vote, only that their life and freedom is not ours to take.

[Mudsimus]

  On 10/31/2019 at 6:33 AM, Odinson said:

.. only that their life and freedom is not ours to take.

According to who?

[forkie]

  On 10/31/2019 at 6:33 AM, Odinson said:

Humans are not separate from nature.

 

only that their life and freedom is not ours to take.

so why do lions then have more rights than us? why can they just kill as they please?

[Odinson]

  On 10/31/2019 at 7:08 AM, Mudsimus said:

According to who?

Basic principles of ethics and justice.

[Odinson]

  On 10/31/2019 at 8:00 AM, forkie said:

so why do lions then have more rights than us? why can they just kill as they please?

 

Where did I say that?

 

The intelligence that you referred to allows us to make conscious and reasoned decisions about our actions. Thus, if we can live healthily and happily without harming our fellow earthlings, we have a moral imperative to do so.

[Mudsimus]

  On 10/31/2019 at 8:17 AM, Odinson said:

Basic principles of ethics and justice.

Who gave you the right to apply your ethics and moral code to others?

['Dale]

Easy, easy

Hold back some watts for Friday’s Fight Club

Only one more sleep ⚠️

[Odinson]

  On 10/31/2019 at 8:31 AM, Mudsimus said:

Who gave you the right to apply your ethics and moral code to others?

 

Don't you do the same when you condemn a murderer or a rapist? Or do you indulge them their subjective moral framework? You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that I'm forcing my moral code on others, but condemn others when you see them causing others to suffer. 

[Mudsimus]

  On 10/31/2019 at 8:57 AM, Odinson said:

Don't you do the same when you condemn a murderer or a rapist? Or do you indulge them their subjective moral framework? You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that I'm forcing my moral code on others, but condemn others when you see them causing others to suffer.

Did you just compare meat eaters to murderers? Thats a **** album dude.

 

Anyhow. Murder is against the law. Eating meat upsets vegans, its not illegal.

[Odinson]

  On 10/31/2019 at 9:25 AM, Mudsimus said:

Did you just compare meat eaters to murderers? Thats a **** album dude.

 

Anyhow. Murder is against the law. Eating meat upsets vegans, its not illegal.

 

Nice side-step, but I'd like to see an answer.