The Veganism Thread

[WrightJnr]

[The Ghost]

This arrived today, keen to get reading and get a little more info on finding a balance and some ideas.

[Grass Muncher]

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2021/01/27/Plant-based-diets-the-least-favoured-solution-to-climate-change-according-to-UN-poll

 

People care about climate change but they just don't care enough. Everyone for themselves I guess.

Its funny how a plantbaded diet makes one of the biggest contributions to reduce climate change but it's the least favoured solution.

[Rocket-Boy]

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2021/01/27/Plant-based-diets-the-least-favoured-solution-to-climate-change-according-to-UN-poll

 

People care about climate change but they just don't care enough. Everyone for themselves I guess.

Its funny how a plantbaded diet makes one of the biggest contributions to reduce climate change but it's the least favoured solution.

People want to live in bliss, they dont like the idea that they need to change their habits to stabilize the climate.

Its not different from being on a plant based diet really, most people will laugh us and tell us how great lamb tastes, but few would be able to watch that same lamb being slaughtered and cut up.

 

Really, its more difficult to actually eat meat if you are an animal lover and trying to do your bit for the climate. All it requires is thinking outside of the cultural norms and knowing that killing animals because you like meat is a bit of a dick move. 

[100Tours]

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2021/01/27/Plant-based-diets-the-least-favoured-solution-to-climate-change-according-to-UN-poll

 

 

Well it's only the least favourite because it looks like they didn't include having less people on the planet as an option (making less people), Might be an easier mountain to climb than global veganism.

 

As a species we prefer solutions that don't require changes in behaviour.

[BaGearA]

People want to live in bliss, they dont like the idea that they need to change their habits to stabilize the climate.

Its not different from being on a plant based diet really, most people will laugh us and tell us how great lamb tastes, but few would be able to watch that same lamb being slaughtered and cut up.

 

Really, its more difficult to actually eat meat if you are an animal lover and trying to do your bit for the climate. All it requires is thinking outside of the cultural norms and knowing that killing animals because you like meat is a bit of a dick move.

Interesting

 

 

Most hunters I know are big animal lovers (not the idiots that chase the animals down with a bakkie and shoot them from the back on a rest)

[The Ghost]

I was reading about how much protein one needs and how that might look broken down into portions over the course of a day, and I don’t think I was eating that much protein all this time even when I was eating meat.

I’m a little shocked to be honest and I think I’m going to have to try and keep track of it for a while (which just seems like a massive pain in the ass).

[Eldron]

Well it's only the least favourite because it looks like they didn't include having less people on the planet as an option (making less people), Might be an easier mountain to climb than global veganism.

 

As a species we prefer solutions that don't require changes in behaviour.

Having less people on the planet requires quite a large behavioural change in a global scale.

 

All change is uncomfortable - eating less/no meat is a pretty darn easy one.

[Chris_]

I was reading about how much protein one needs and how that might look broken down into portions over the course of a day, and I don’t think I was eating that much protein all this time even when I was eating meat.

I’m a little shocked to be honest and I think I’m going to have to try and keep track of it for a while (which just seems like a massive pain in the ass).

(not really a reply, more anecdotal) I followed a bodybuilding type diet for probably 10 years. Everything I ate I saw macros and grams of protein. Later on after ditching animal it really was a breath of fresh air where I actively decided to stop thinking about protein recommendations and all those things. It's been a revelation.

 

I've always eaten 'clean' so there's no danger of going ballistic, but I'm now just eating and not analyzing and worrying.

 

You'll be surprised how well the body goes with just good food.

[100Tours]

Having less people on the planet requires quite a large behavioural change in a global scale.

 

All change is uncomfortable - eating less/no meat is a pretty darn easy one.

 

It's an interesting debate - the biggest socially acceptable driver in reducing the number of kids on the planet seems to be the education of girls. Do you think it is easier to make a difference to education or to change the way people eat (I honestly don't know, but I do struggle to believe in veganism changing the planet).

 

What you do in your household isn't going to make a difference either way.

[The Ghost]

(not really a reply, more anecdotal) I followed a bodybuilding type diet for probably 10 years. Everything I ate I saw macros and grams of protein. Later on after ditching animal it really was a breath of fresh air where I actively decided to stop thinking about protein recommendations and all those things. It's been a revelation.

 

I've always eaten 'clean' so there's no danger of going ballistic, but I'm now just eating and not analyzing and worrying.

 

You'll be surprised how well the body goes with just good food.

Too much stressing about food types, quantities etc etc can really curb the enjoyment thereof and make it a real pain.

I definitely won’t analyse things that much, life’s too short [emoji1]

[Eldron]

It's an interesting debate - the biggest socially acceptable driver in reducing the number of kids on the planet seems to be the education of girls. Do you think it is easier to make a difference to education or to change the way people eat (I honestly don't know, but I do struggle to believe in veganism changing the planet).

 

What you do in your household isn't going to make a difference either way.

Interesting for sure. Making changes to the education of girls in the countries with expanding populations is pretty tough. Hell SA can't get it right and it is in a much better situation than most of Africa.

 

1 household won't make a difference but 3 billion households each making small purchasing and lifestyle changes would be significant.

 

Also - it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. What I can't understand is why people wouldn't want to change. It's patently obvious that we're consuming the planet - why not do our little bit?

[Jurgens Smit]

I've been reading through this thread to gain ideas of making non meat dishes more fun. Although I have no inclination of going full vegan/vegetarian.

 

So please don't take this the wrong way or as a troll post, but is vegetarianism/veganism as it is at present not harmful to the environment as well?
Take for example eating fruit or veg that is not indigenous to SA or in season here, generally that needs to get imported, aren't the transportation environmental costs just as bad as karan beef and his cattle farms?

 

[BaGearA]

I've been reading through this thread to gain ideas of making non meat dishes more fun. Although I have no inclination of going full vegan/vegetarian.

 

So please don't take this the wrong way or as a troll post, but is vegetarianism/veganism as it is at present not harmful to the environment as well?

Take for example eating fruit or veg that is not indigenous to SA or in season here, generally that needs to get imported, aren't the transportation environmental costs just as bad as karan beef and his cattle farms?

 

 

I might be confusing it with something but I've also heard almond farming is quite hectic on the land for what you get in the harvest

[Eldron]

I've been reading through this thread to gain ideas of making non meat dishes more fun. Although I have no inclination of going full vegan/vegetarian.

 

So please don't take this the wrong way or as a troll post, but is vegetarianism/veganism as it is at present not harmful to the environment as well?

Take for example eating fruit or veg that is not indigenous to SA or in season here, generally that needs to get imported, aren't the transportation environmental costs just as bad as karan beef and his cattle farms?

 

 

If you compare apples and apples (local veggies versus local meat) then veggies beat meat hands down.

 

The basic principle is cutting out the middleman (animal) by growing veg and feeding it to humans makes the supply chain shorter and less damaging to the environment.

 

Personally I think the answer is reducing meat consumption dramatically not removing it completely.

 

Reducing meat is better for human health and the planet. A no brainer really.

[Jurgens Smit]

If you compare apples and apples (local veggies versus local meat) then veggies beat meat hands down.

 

The basic principle is cutting out the middleman (animal) by growing veg and feeding it to humans makes the supply chain shorter and less damaging to the environment.

 

Personally I think the answer is reducing meat consumption dramatically not removing it completely.

 

Reducing meat is better for human health and the planet. A no brainer really.

The thing is, do people stay local veggies only?

I'm guessing your variety would be cut down a lot if you had to stay on what could be locally grown only. But I do get your point.

 

Is it not reducing red meat is healthier?

As I have it chicken and fish is still fine?

 

Regardless, in a way I do agree, I believe that our current methods of farming do need to change.

Vertical farming for plants and smarter, less environmentally harmful livestock farming needs to be done. The former being easier implemented than the latter.

 

I think the whole lab grown meat thing could be massive if it could become more widespread.

Dependent on waste materials should this become a mass production thing.

 

The above being said, I am personally starting to look into incorporating more vegetarian type meals into my diet, as well as sourcing meat from hunting/fishing.