No Hare Posted December 13, 2018 Share what is perfectly legal to do, but can endanger yourself and your fellow road users? The wonderful Snot rocket Think about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolspin Posted December 13, 2018 Share Stay left pass right, that person is breaking the law. Ok, driving at 120km/hr in the right hand lane on a freeway in a 120km/hr zone and never giving way to faster trafficSo the law is being broken by the guy doing 120 in the fast lane in a 120 zone that wont move over. So the law is being broken by the driver at the rear seeking to overtake as he would be travelling in excess of the 120km/hr speed limit. But you are deciding that that one offence is greater than the other by only reflecting on the first scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolspin Posted December 13, 2018 Share what is perfectly legal to do, but can endanger yourself and your fellow road users? The wonderful Snot rocket Think about it...Pretty awful habit, know lots of people do it, prefer to stop and use a tissue myself, seeing that I'm not normally in a strava life or death KOM though I suppose the extra time isn't really an issue. Forgot to add, if you must do this then at least look behind you to make sure you aren't going to coat another poor bugger cyclist in your snot , good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted December 14, 2018 Share Regulation 323(5) states: “Where the driver of a motor vehicle which is being driven in the right-hand traffic lane or in the traffic lane furthest to the right on a freeway (hereinafter referred to as the first vehicle) becomes aware that the driver of another motor vehicle (hereinafter referred to as the second vehicle) intends to overtake the first vehicle, the driver of the first vehicle shall steer that vehicle to a lane to the left of the one in which he or she is driving, without endangering himself or herself or other traffic or property on the freeway, and shall not accelerate the speed of his or her vehicle until the second vehicle has passed.”Regulation 323(6) then goes on to state: “For the purposes of subregulation (5) the driver of the second vehicle may make the driver of the first vehicle aware that he or she intends to overtake the first vehicle by giving the driver thereof a visible signal by means of flashing the headlights of his or her vehicle.”Here is a link for you to look at the act, then search for the above wording . act.JPGThanks for the post. I got to it myself eventually but I’m checking through the amendments as well. I believed that this section was revised but haven’t found it yet. Quite a few amendments to download and sift through (not my day job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkitech Posted December 14, 2018 Share So the law is being broken by the guy doing 120 in the fast lane in a 120 zone that wont move over. Yes, obviouslyedit: its called the passing lane, no such thing as a fast lane exists in South Africa. So the law is being broken by the driver at the rear seeking to overtake as he would be travelling in excess of the 120km/hr speed limit. Yes, obviously. Semantics can probably be argued in court if they get fined and can validate it rationally, since k53 instructors do advise their students to increase their speed for overtaking. But you are deciding that that one offence is greater than the other by only reflecting on the first scenario. No, not obviously, apparently. I must add, the amount of commentators on this thread that don't know the law regarding keep left, pass right, is both alarming as a cyclist and concerning as a motorist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudLark Posted December 14, 2018 Share Quite a debate. My philosophy is simple. Unlike a car, a bicycle doesn't have a crumple zone. Like it or not, you have to use common sense and do whatever you can to make it as safe as possible for yourself as a cyclist. These are my own princioles: Keep as far left as you possibly safely can. Try to avoid busy routes where practical, especially if there is a narrow or no shoulder. Where possible, avoid the routes used most heavily by taxis Try to route around complex and dangerous intersections. If you have to break the rules of the road to avoid a dangerous situation - or getting into a dangerous situation - do it*. Wherever necessary, make eye contact with a driver and indicate your intentions. Use clear hand signals wherever necessary and possible. . Never do the unexpected but expect the unexpected. Be especially careful in situations where a driver can't see you from a distance (like blind rises, corners and entrances)° Use flashing tail and headlights, even during daylight hours°° Don't go faster than is safe**. Be especially careful on roads you are not very familiar with, note the hazards for the future and make a plan to avoid them next time. Always wear an ICE bracelet. Finally, say your prayers. * Road rules are for the guidance of wise men and the absolute obedience of fools - blind obedience can sometimes expose you to danger. ° Especially dangerous for cyclists riding abreast or in bunches. °° I use a Garmin Varia radar tailight. It's a HUGE addition to your road safety by keeping you aware of what's happening behind you. They aren't cheap but neither is your life. ** Your family care more about you than your average speed. My 2c worth. Use it/don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagga Posted December 14, 2018 Share So the law is being broken by the guy doing 120 in the fast lane in a 120 zone that wont move over. So the law is being broken by the driver at the rear seeking to overtake as he would be travelling in excess of the 120km/hr speed limit. But you are deciding that that one offence is greater than the other by only reflecting on the first scenario.I am NOT deciding what offence is wrose, If you read these posts you will see why I posted that. We were discussing what is legal and if you can drive like a twat and be within the law.It was then mentioned that right lane hogging is and ecample which is NOT as per my post. Read these 152162163164ESP: 165167 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Gordo Posted December 14, 2018 Share I must add, the amount of commentators on this thread that don't know the law regarding keep left, pass right, is both alarming as a cyclist and concerning as a motorist!Makes you wonders, was the license earned or payed for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkitech Posted December 14, 2018 Share Makes you wonders, was the license earned or payed forThat question wracks my brain daily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted December 14, 2018 Share Report into red light running https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457518307590?dgcid=raven_sd_via_email The conclusion is interesting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted December 14, 2018 Share I must add, the amount of commentators on this thread that don't know the law regarding keep left, pass right, is both alarming as a cyclist and concerning as a motorist!Bingo!Now apply this to society at large and you see the root of the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagga Posted December 14, 2018 Share Bingo!Now apply this to society at large and you see the root of the problem When I wrote my Learners the 1st time I still remember that there was a section about the responsibility of the driver to empower himself with all new laws / road rules that might come into effect. Now with the internet today and the ease of access to information, I can not believe how many people use the excuse "I did not know" If I hear of new road rule, I will go and find it online and make sure I understand it. Now why it so difficult for others to do. Here are some examples of rules and the fact that people "don’t know about it" 1. Chucking a stompie out the window.2. Not smoking in a car where there are kids.3. Not smoking (can not remember the meters) within so many meters from a public entrance4. All dogs MUST be on a leash in a public space unless otherwise stated on a sign.5. a Motorist can cross the solid line, when safe to do in order to overtake a cyclist leaving at least 1.2M5. Motorist are required to USE INDICATORS when entering and leaving a circle6. Unacceptable noise levels are not governed by time of day ETC ETC Looking at the comments on this thread I wonder when last did these commenters READ the road rules ?Most cyclist know more about the road rules than most drivers. EDIT: SO the big problem is that people DON'T READ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted December 14, 2018 Share So the law is being broken by the guy doing 120 in the fast lane in a 120 zone that wont move over. So the law is being broken by the driver at the rear seeking to overtake as he would be travelling in excess of the 120km/hr speed limit. But you are deciding that that one offence is greater than the other by only reflecting on the first scenario.Wrong, unless you are passing you must be in the left lane. Therefore only the person sitting in the right lane is in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted December 14, 2018 Share I just got tweeted cyclists jumping a red light in Tokai taken from a cellphone while driving. Contemplating if I should point it out to the dude or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagga Posted December 14, 2018 Share I just got tweeted cyclists jumping a red light in Tokai taken from a cellphone while driving. Contemplating if I should point it out to the dude or not.Please do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flymango Posted December 14, 2018 Share Can we discuss cyclists who don't use the cycle lane on this thread too ...? Especially the new 10 km lane between Melkbos and Table View. After all, it is Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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