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[Long Wheel Base]

Also, LWB...

 

Rumour has it that a Kenya Airways B787 had to do an about turn back to ORTIA seeing someone from SAAT managed to find themselves on-board post take-off?

 

So where where you going?

Ok so the real story is similar but not SAAT. Kenya have a technician based here to do the turnarounds(and get us to assist with anything bigger but he releases their aircraft), he stays here for 7 days and then another guy fly's in and they rotate like that. They have 2 flights per day. The Friday morning flight comes in and the guy then leaves on that flight a few hours later. When the afternoon flight arrives it has the next technician on board. So on Friday their guy gets on board the morning flight to go home and shortly after takeoff the crew get told by their base station that for some or other reason the next dude never made it onto the afternoon flight into JNB.

[dirtypot]

Ok so the real story is similar but not SAAT. Kenya have a technician based here to do the turnarounds(and get us to assist with anything bigger but he releases their aircraft), he stays here for 7 days and then another guy fly's in and they rotate like that. They have 2 flights per day. The Friday morning flight comes in and the guy then leaves on that flight a few hours later. When the afternoon flight arrives it has the next technician on board. So on Friday their guy gets on board the morning flight to go home and shortly after takeoff the crew get told by their base station that for some or other reason the next dude never made it onto the afternoon flight into JNB.

 

Surely the guy on the plane couldn't have released it though, if he was on the plane?  The "missing" guy needed to have done that.  Or am I 'missing' something completely?

[Robbie Stewart]

Ok so the real story is similar but not SAAT. Kenya have a technician based here to do the turnarounds(and get us to assist with anything bigger but he releases their aircraft), he stays here for 7 days and then another guy fly's in and they rotate like that. They have 2 flights per day. The Friday morning flight comes in and the guy then leaves on that flight a few hours later. When the afternoon flight arrives it has the next technician on board. So on Friday their guy gets on board the morning flight to go home and shortly after takeoff the crew get told by their base station that for some or other reason the next dude never made it onto the afternoon flight into JNB.

 

Yoh, how far is the truth removed from the crud we get dished by the news media...

 

I read some articles where they were going on about stowaways, and even mentioning the last stowaway on Kenya Airways who managed to get dropped into some oke's yard on final approach to heathrow, with the guy's goods in the gear bay. Also, most of the news articles I picked up on this all linked this bloke to SAAT...

 

Goes to show, fake news is a real thing. As long as the papers sell, or the ad-clicks tally up, who cares about facts. The real story does not sound newsworthy, so just jazz it up.

[Long Wheel Base]

Surely the guy on the plane couldn't have released it though, if he was on the plane?  The "missing" guy needed to have done that.  Or am I 'missing' something completely?

No. When we release the aircraft it is literally just signing the final paperwork to say it is ready to fly. SAA does a similar thing when we fly into smaller airports in Africa, except we don't have someone stationed there at all. We have a travelling technician that flies with the plane. He sits in seat 2A and does all the necessary work once all the pax are off. If it's a turn around, he stays with the plane. If it's a night stop he goes to the hotel with the pilots and cabin crew. Some of the time the guy you see on the aircraft doing the fueling, snags and the push back etc isn't actually licensed on that specific aircraft. He does to work and then someone else signs for his work and releases the aircraft. Hope that makes sense???

[Capricorn]

heard a bit of an odd statement during a safety talk this morning: apparently, pilots are allowed to make up to 10 mistakes. No context wrt to type of error or reference given.

I googled it, but came up zeros.

 

Anyone know if the statement is true?

[TIB]

heard a bit of an odd statement during a safety talk this morning: apparently, pilots are allowed to make up to 10 mistakes. No context wrt to type of error or reference given.

I googled it, but came up zeros.

 

Anyone know if the statement is true?

 

I trust these mistakes are in the ilk of not shaving, wearing Oakley instead of RayBan Aviators, wearing his hat back-to-front......

[Capricorn]

I trust these mistakes are in the ilk of not shaving, wearing Oakley instead of RayBan Aviators, wearing his hat back-to-front......

yeah, i had a very hard time believing the statement.

[Long Wheel Base]

heard a bit of an odd statement during a safety talk this morning: apparently, pilots are allowed to make up to 10 mistakes. No context wrt to type of error or reference given.

I googled it, but came up zeros.

 

Anyone know if the statement is true?

Whoever was giving this talk should have been more specific about where this info comes from and what constitutes a mistake. I have seen mistakes cost lives, Cessna 401(twin engine, piston engine) took off, on take off had an engine failure. I believe the procedure on that aircraft is to then cut the problem engine and feather the props to reduce drag and damage to the engine and prop/engine on landing. Pilot cut the wrong engine. Went from 50% power to no power. Hit the ground hard, ripped off the landing gear, 1 dead, 1 broken back(the pilot). 

[Bateleur1]

To err is human.  There is now way getting out of it.  One of the primary reasons while there will still be a two man crew minimum in the cockpit.  Make sure you don't make a mistake and if you do the other should correct you or at least spot the error and take action.

[kosmonooit]

One mistake can mean death to all, doubt that that is true ....

 

Doubt a commercial pilot would keep his or her job if they landed a heavy with gear up..

 

There was also those wild oscillations of a Emirates 380 in a cross wind because the PIC was stabbing rudder lef then right then left, I think he got booted.

[Capricorn]

Whoever was giving this talk should have been more specific about where this info comes from and what constitutes a mistake. I have seen mistakes cost lives, Cessna 401(twin engine, piston engine) took off, on take off had an engine failure. I believe the procedure on that aircraft is to then cut the problem engine and feather the props to reduce drag and damage to the engine and prop/engine on landing. Pilot cut the wrong engine. Went from 50% power to no power. Hit the ground hard, ripped off the landing gear, 1 dead, 1 broken back(the pilot). 

 

so there's no regulatory/industry guideline wrt number of type of allowable errors?

I'm more inclined to believe there is a top 10 list of common pilot errors, as opposed to safe number of allowable errors. If there is the latter type of list, it will need to come with some serious qualifiers.

[kosmonooit]

And then there was the Lion Air and Ethiopian 733 Max disasters when the trim runaway procedures were (allegedly) not followed,

[kosmonooit]

To err is human.  There is now way getting out of it.  One of the primary reasons while there will still be a two man crew minimum in the cockpit.  Make sure you don't make a mistake and if you do the other should correct you or at least spot the error and take action.

 

And learn from yours and others mistakes,.  but as a commercial PIC there is little margin for mistakes, training and checks make sure of that.

[Bonus]

747F Wheel set . . . . 

 

INCIDENT / Blown tyre which caused fuselage damage last night in Tel Aviv, Boeing 747F Air Cargo Global (OM-ACG). The aircraft came from Liege, flight 3V951. Photos from FB.

[Long Wheel Base]

747F Wheel set . . . . 

 

INCIDENT / Blown tyre which caused fuselage damage last night in Tel Aviv, Boeing 747F Air Cargo Global (OM-ACG). The aircraft came from Liege, flight 3V951. Photos from FB.

Pity about the fuselage damage, if it was just the tyre then within the hour that aircraft is servicable again. Change both the wheels on that axle as per the manual and off you go.

[Bonus]

Pity about the fuselage damage, if it was just the tyre then within the hour that aircraft is servicable again. Change both the wheels on that axle as per the manual and off you go.

How many CO2 "bombs" to inflate it afterwards?

 

;-)