And just like that it's gone !!

[RocknRolla]

Be keen to understand how their staff retention is dismal?

 

They attract the right talent, however, their project requirements and deadlines does not always fit into normal working hours, thus the kids look for greener pastures and less stressful  environments. I have seen the same at some of the advertising firms we have worked with. Even some of the corporates have larger turnover when it comes to employing younger staff.

 

Edit:

 

I think the culture of being rewarded for dedication is an old school ideology that was taught by our parents, and it's not the case anymore. We want it from our employees, but the younger employees sees it differently, and they are not scared to experiment with different companies and positions to find the right fit.

 

anyway, I have serious brainfog, and am packing up to go home now, so my posts may not be all that sensible

[Shebeen]

Please, as a moderator on this forum set a good example and stick to the original topic.

 

You have been warned, but without the bragging point!

exactly, let's get it back onto one of the other 5 thread hijacks now!

 

https://www.strava.com/activities/2413255396

 

the kid can actually run!

A 17:04 5km at altitude puts him in contention for a very decent half marathon time.

 

assuming his feet can last the distance

[Slowbee]

I tried to be subtle with my wording without accusing you of the above, but rather that that perception could come across.

Obviously there are a lot of crap candidates out there vying for the position and it's best to filter out those as soon as possible. 

But I've seen it all too often where a job is advertised and the requirements are as long as that of a CEO position, but the job description and remuneration itself is too vague.

Going to interviews cost time and money. People have to put in leave, and potentially travel far as well for job interviews, and it gets more difficult the lower you are in the food chain. To go through a screening and a further 2 "compatibility" interviews only to learn that the job does not live up to your expectations is just a waste of everyone's time. 

If I were to go for an interview I'd want to know the seniority of that position and the pay before I even send a CV, let alone go for the second interview. And if they can't sell said position to a person it most likely means that they're just looking for the cheapest candidate and not the best possible one.

Wasting peoples time is the worst thing. And I dont like it. It speaks badly of the company if we waste peoples time. Especially as you say, down the food chain. It is incredibly disrespectful and insulting. But another topic.

 

Before any interview, pay bracket is discussed so you know what you are in for, as are hours and a basic job description. So these are already done before we go into setting up an interview. Our interviews last anywhere between 1.5 to 2 hrs, so we usually take candidates for lunch. It just forms part of the process. We talk about everything the company does and what we expect and can the candidate perform in that space during the interview.

 

But when my health is back up to 90% I will have to come to your part of the world for a ride and a drink. Sounds like it could be an interesting conversation. Unless you ride to fast. Then you will be talking to yourself.

[BigDL]

on the broad, yes, however their staff retention is dismal.

 

Our company ( a small one) tried the "keep everyone happy" one big family approach, and it backfired. There is a thin line between being so open minded (that your brain falls out) and progressive, that people start taking advantage of the situation. Which then meant a sudden "clamp down" to get peeps back on track.

 

Rules are extremely important, and it has to be clearly defined, yes it will be questioned, and being questioned is not an attempt to undermine authority, it's the foundation of change and new ideas. How an authoritative person handles the questions is another matter all together.

There is a difference between just keeping everyone happy and keeping them as happy as possible without lowering expectations. Just because you look after someone does not mean that you don’t expect them to do their job. Our company really looks after their staff and has a real culture of inquisitiveness and feedback, with no holy cows when it comes to criticism. However, we have a huge performance expectation that goes alongside that and very little tolerance for poor performance.

[Odinson]

exactly, let's get it back onto one of the other 5 thread hijacks now!

 

https://www.strava.com/activities/2413255396

 

the kid can actually run!

A 17:04 5km at altitude puts him in contention for a very decent half marathon time.

 

assuming his feet can last the distance

 

Jirr! That toe! 

 

That's pretty damn rapid and he did it kaalvoet nogal. 

[WrightJnr]

Be keen to understand how their staff retention is dismal?

Of course I don’t have the facts. But then who of us on a bike forum actually do. LOL.

 

My reference point is this. I’m 22 years in the I.T business. All 22 in 2 different Global businesses. I’ve interviewed 100’s of candidates over the last decade. For various roles and levels.

 

The Googles, Facebooks etc, who are in the game of creating illusions of fun as a business it’s not surprising they know how to market themselves as great employers. Sure, there are many there that are happy. But many that are not (working hours, deadlines, competitiveness etc.). We interview the latter all the time.

 

But it also depends on what you consider “good retention”. Is it 5 years? 10 years? 2 years?

 

By looking at the ave age of the employee at those firms it’s a quick maths calculation to figure out how long people stay there.

[The Ouzo]

Yes and no.

 

Perhaps grateful is not the word. But when you get an interview, you should recognise the you have been presented with an opportunity at the cost of someone else.

 

And yes, the company should recognise the skill set on offer, but in a first round of interviews, does the granting of an interview not already represent that recognition ?

 

Subsequent rounds (so called shortlisting) are a different kettle of fish.

Is an interview not a 2 way conversation ?

The incumbent also needs to weed out potentially ill fitting employers. Why waste time ?

 

For my previous company I went for an interview, they asked me if I had any other interviews lined up, to which I replied I was leaving there and going to my next one (which was true).

They asked me right there to cancel my next interview, they will have an offer on the table within the hour.

 

Granted this is very much the exception and the industry is notorious for just hiring anyone.

[forkie]

i am starting a new job at the end of the month. my interview process was really good. First interview was the normal 1.5 hr discussion. but then instead of a second interview they invited me to spend a full morning with them - getting to know the plant and people and for the people to meet me. this was to make sure both parties were 100% sure this is what they want. nobody wants to find out 6 months down the line that we are non compatible. i really appreciated the honesty that the new company showed. 

[Escapee..]

i am starting a new job at the end of the month. my interview process was really good. First interview was the normal 1.5 hr discussion. but then instead of a second interview they invited me to spend a full morning with them - getting to know the plant and people and for the people to meet me. this was to make sure both parties were 100% sure this is what they want. nobody wants to find out 6 months down the line that we are non compatible. i really appreciated the honesty that the new company showed. 

 

Thats very cool

 

Congrats Forkie.

[Escapee..]

i am starting a new job at the end of the month. my interview process was really good. First interview was the normal 1.5 hr discussion. but then instead of a second interview they invited me to spend a full morning with them - getting to know the plant and people and for the people to meet me. this was to make sure both parties were 100% sure this is what they want. nobody wants to find out 6 months down the line that we are non compatible. i really appreciated the honesty that the new company showed. 

 

Not a lot of companies still hiring people of your age 

[forkie]

Not a lot of companies still hiring people of your age 

thats why i took the oppertunity with both hands....

[BigDL]

Of course I don’t have the facts. But then who of us on a bike forum actually do. LOL.

 

My reference point is this. I’m 22 years in the I.T business. All 22 in 2 different Global businesses. I’ve interviewed 100’s of candidates over the last decade. For various roles and levels.

 

The Googles, Facebooks etc, who are in the game of creating illusions of fun as a business it’s not surprising they know how to market themselves as great employers. Sure, there are many there that are happy. But many that are not (working hours, deadlines, competitiveness etc.). We interview the latter all the time.

 

But it also depends on what you consider “good retention”. Is it 5 years? 10 years? 2 years?

 

By looking at the ave age of the employee at those firms it’s a quick maths calculation to figure out how long people stay there.

Interesting point. As I work for one of the big tech companies, I was surprised to hear that our retention isn’t great.

[porqui]

​And just like that it has turned into an interesting fred.

[gummibear]

Jirr! That toe! 

 

That's pretty damn rapid and he did it kaalvoet nogal. 

Why in this day and age would anyone still want to run barefoot

 

Good time though

[Stretch]

exactly, let's get it back onto one of the other 5 thread hijacks now!

 

https://www.strava.com/activities/2413255396

 

the kid can actually run!

A 17:04 5km at altitude puts him in contention for a very decent half marathon time.

 

assuming his feet can last the distance

Ok .. That's not bad.. I'm suitably impressed... I'll be watching this with interest.

 

 

He's 3 weeks in...3 weeks to go

[WrightJnr]

Hopefully someone said no, but we will take your money.

Think he’s leaving out the point he was there as a patient and not a potential employee.