OVERDRIVE Posted October 27, 2021 Share 16 hours ago, Pieterlab1 said: I really like the Cypher. And from the looks of it, Specialized basically copied the frame design for the new Epic, so it must be good. Pieterlab1 and DieselnDust 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 28, 2021 Share 11 hours ago, Hairy said: That extra pivot would/should keep the suspension neutral under braking at least. That extra pivot never delivered that benefit. It was just marketing BS. Any brake caliper mounted on the same suspension element as the wheel has minimal influence on the brake. Brake Jack is worst on the fork thanks to the weight transfer guidodg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidodg Posted October 28, 2021 Share yup...it's the only high end XC bike left in the world with that pivot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted October 28, 2021 Share All I hear is Ross Geller shouting at a couch that wants to take the goods lift. peetwindhoek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furbz Posted October 28, 2021 Share I rode the empire version of this bike - the 120mm suspension version. I found it to be a fantastic ride. Really was impressed with it The value is insane with the titan The only issue I had was it felt a bit heavy to pedal on a XC course at race pace. So I opted for a XC bike to rather suite the riding I do. If I had more money and space I'd happily buy the empire as my go to trail riding bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted October 28, 2021 Share 28 minutes ago, guidodg said: yup...it's the only high end XC bike left in the world with that pivot... Most, not quite all, but for 100mm and even 120mm travel bikes it's rapidly moving in that direction. Considering the price it's a minor thing and doesn't really detract from the bike. Pretty sure the designer is already working on it. justinafrika 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furbz Posted October 28, 2021 Share 20 minutes ago, Danger Dassie said: Most, not quite all, but for 100mm and even 120mm travel bikes it's rapidly moving in that direction. Considering the price it's a minor thing and doesn't really detract from the bike. Pretty sure the designer is already working on it. I think if that pivot is removed I'd seriously look at buying a Titan as my next bike. It's a fairly big detractor buying a brand new bike with an outdated suspension setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted October 28, 2021 Share It's a rad bike. I built my team frame up with very trail oriented bits. 120mm Cane Creek Helm fork, 4 pot brakes, wide bars, Butcher/Pergatory tires etc.... As a down country/trail bike it is amazing. It feels more capable than my old Jeffsy and definitely more efficient when climbing and putting down whatever feeble power I have. The extra pivot is definitely not my bottle neck and if Rossouw Bekker can ride it to 15th in GC, probably isn't going to be an issue for anyone commenting either. One thing they could do (which Titan and Momsen seem to be guilty of) is make the tubes straighter. Straighter is lighter, bends and details need more material. But really, for a South African company they are making fantastic products. As an aside I am glad I have the black on black version. I'm not a massive fan of the colours Hairy, Pieterlab1, Hilton. and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 28, 2021 Share 22 minutes ago, Furbz said: I think if that pivot is removed I'd seriously look at buying a Titan as my next bike. It's a fairly big detractor buying a brand new bike with an outdated suspension setup better tell that to Cannondale and Pyga. Both recently just released brand new XCO race bikes with Horst Link suspension. On the heavy feeling pedaling I expect that this is a component of the suspension set up. probably too much sag to get a more plush feeling. Horst Link bikes have a narrower set up window for that spritely feeling. To imrove the set up window the engineers have to lower the anti squat (Scalpel) which makes the bike bob a little. They counter this with a shorter stroke shock (Scalpel '21 again). Titan Racing has gone with a pretty standard Horst set up so it really needs more low speed compression or a Brain type suspension unit to get the best of both worlds Edited October 28, 2021 by DieselnDust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted October 28, 2021 Share 20 minutes ago, Furbz said: I think if that pivot is removed I'd seriously look at buying a Titan as my next bike. It's a fairly big detractor buying a brand new bike with an outdated suspension setup Outdated? How so? The kinetic movement is just as efficient, arguably more so than 'flex' ... Sure there's a weight saving and less maintenance on a pivot free area, but far from outdated. And at an average of 20% less cost I'll take it. The sales also prove that it's not as big a detractor. DieselnDust, Hilton. and Hairy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted October 28, 2021 Share can anyone point out this extra pivot to this roadie please peetwindhoek and Blokman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono Posted October 28, 2021 Share 40 minutes ago, Jewbacca said: It's a rad bike. I built my team frame up with very trail oriented bits. 120mm Cane Creek Helm fork, 4 pot brakes, wide bars, Butcher/Pergatory tires etc.... As a down country/trail bike it is amazing. It feels more capable than my old Jeffsy and definitely more efficient when climbing and putting down whatever feeble power I have. The extra pivot is definitely not my bottle neck and if Rossouw Bekker can ride it to 15th in GC, probably isn't going to be an issue for anyone commenting either. One thing they could do (which Titan and Momsen seem to be guilty of) is make the tubes straighter. Straighter is lighter, bends and details need more material. But really, for a South African company they are making fantastic products. As an aside I am glad I have the black on black version. I'm not a massive fan of the colours Do you know what the eye to eye length of the shock is? Also max tyre size at the back? Are you still running 100mm at the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted October 28, 2021 Share 1 minute ago, ouzo said: can anyone point out this extra pivot to this roadie please The latest race bikes all have flex stays on the rear triangle, where as the Titan has a pivot point on the chain stay/near the rear axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted October 28, 2021 Share 3 minutes ago, Jewbacca said: The latest race bikes all have flex stays on the rear triangle, where as the Titan has a pivot point on the chain stay/near the rear axle. ahh ok, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted October 28, 2021 Share 1 minute ago, Jono said: Do you know what the eye to eye length of the shock is? Also max tyre size at the back? Are you still running 100mm at the back? It's a metric shock, both the 100mm and 120mm run 190mm eye to eye, so I removed the 7.5mm bump spacer to lengthen the stroke from 37.5mm to 45mm to make it 120mm front and rear. I have a 2.4 pergatory in the back with lots of space Jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 28, 2021 Share 4 minutes ago, Jewbacca said: The latest race bikes all have flex stays on the rear triangle, where as the Titan has a pivot point on the chain stay/near the rear axle. also known as a Horst Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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