BMC And Redbull Team Up On The “First F1 Bike” Prototype

[Shebeen]

3 hours ago, MORNE said:

the same way as "b-teams" sharing wind tunnels with sister teams....."oh...uhm we're busy here with our stuff in your space....please close your eyes if you can. If you happen to see my homework or talk to an engineer at the vending machine about new breakthrough aero concepts..please forget what you saw or heard, pretty please" lol

on the topic of HAAS. ferrari built them a factory IN Maranello next to their own...and moved some of those extra engineers over there too haha. It's almost too obvious. I mean, they cant UNLEARN things they already know. There are already rumblings from rival teams that the HAAS and Ferrari looks too similar for it to be coincidence...kind of like the mercedes/force india debacle 2 years ago.

Edit: as you mentioned...now a sailing team is in mercedes f1 office...how do the governing bodies of both series (AM cup /f1) differentiate between who works on what and where...surely its as easy as a job title on a payslip/contract. Clever indeed. Maybe i'm underestemating a pseudo bicycle company tie up haha. - "we have 100 engineers working on aero for this here bicycle - we swear."

so Team new zealand are currently working on breaking the wind powered land speed record, not sure what tie in it has with the cup at all but they say it's just a fun project to keep their engineers and build team "engaged".

what we definitely know, if there are rules in place people will push them to breaking point.

[MORNE]

9 minutes ago, Shebeen said:

so Team new zealand are currently working on breaking the wind powered land speed record, not sure what tie in it has with the cup at all but they say it's just a fun project to keep their engineers and build team "engaged".

what we definitely know, if there are rules in place people will push them to breaking point.

Yup,

‘innovation tends to be exist in the ambiguity of rules’ lol

so somewhere between the lines haha.
 

Its awesome though. It amazes me every year how they get pegged back by new rules, just to find ways to go even faster/lighter/better. Again..cant ‘unlearn’ something. The engineers at these pinnacles of their disciplines are just alien.

[Andymann]

I'm eagerly waiting to see what bike Giant has designed for Kristian Blummenfelt for the upcoming sub-7 challenge. There's been some grainy pics of something pretty radical - but all hush hush from Giant

[MORNE]

In the end i guess it cant be that radical. The bicycle is a perfect example of an object that in essence has been perfected already. anything else is just tweaking.

 

[ChrisF]

1 hour ago, MORNE said:

In the end i guess it cant be that radical. The bicycle is a perfect example of an object that in essence has been perfected already. anything else is just tweaking.

 

 

In much the same way that Henry Ford perfected the car and manufacturing .....  everything else over the last century have just been tweaking ..... 

 

For most of the last century metalurgy was the biggest stumbling block to progress in cars.  The ideas were there decades before more most concepts made it to mass production and reliability.

 

 

It will be interesting to see what technology, sorry tweaking, brings to bicycles in the next decade .....

 

Right now we have way more ideas than reliability at the cutting edge of bicycles 

 

[MORNE]

6 minutes ago, ChrisF said:

 

In much the same way that Henry Ford perfected the car and manufacturing .....  everything else over the last century have just been tweaking ..... 

 

For most of the last century metalurgy was the biggest stumbling block to progress in cars.  The ideas were there decades before more most concepts made it to mass production and reliability.

 

 

It will be interesting to see what technology, sorry tweaking, brings to bicycles in the next decade .....

 

Right now we have way more ideas than reliability at the cutting edge of bicycles 

 

In essence…in design, the bicycle has not changed for close to a century.  It cant be improved in that sense. It has two wheels, a triangular frame made up of compression and tension members, some pedally bits, a thing to sit on and a thing to steer.

its the perfect example of sonething in its purest form. Anything else bolted to it us just extra…because in its purest form..its still functional as a much as a ‘modern’ version. 
 

materiality and bolt-on tech like electric motors has nothing to do with it. Unless you agree an e-bike is not a bicycle lol

Edited May 5, 2022 by MORNE

[ChrisF]

19 minutes ago, MORNE said:

In essence…in design, the bicycle has not changed for close to a century.  It cant be improved in that sense. It has two wheels, a triangular frame made up of compression and tension members, some pedally bits, a thing to sit on and a thing to steer.

its the perfect example of sonething in its purest form. Anything else bolted to it us just extra…because in its purest form..its still functional as a much as a ‘modern’ version. 
 

materiality and bolt-on tech like electric motors has nothing to do with it. Unless you agree an e-bike is not a bicycle lol

 

okay .... let's leave the "help-my-trap" out of this .... for the moment .....   Though the regenrative breaking from F1 WILL be the next evolution in these bikes ....

 

 

Road race bikes (as this is what the RB media office played with) .... sure, the basic components have been around since I did 1 000km per month to school and back on an OK Bazaar bike.  But on the cutting edge the tweakers are working away at finding that magic formula that will weigh less than a feather, be stronger than a railway sleeper, has zero friction bearings .... the perfect tyre .... etc etc ....  at the cutting edge of marginal gains to the podium, the ultimate aero design is both good engineering and even better marketing

 

 

Gravel bikes .... not sure to what extent this is designing or tweaking or just cut-and paste between road and MTB .... but I do believe this is where we will see the most marketing in the next decade ....

 

MTB .... almost confusing trying to keep with longer travel, no shorter travel .... alu, no plastis, NO steel ..... every conceivable angle combination, even bikes allowing you to tweak some angles to your personal preferance .... can only wonder where the tweaking with these are going to take us ..... my guess - most gains would be in a super light, super grippy, no puncture tyre (reducing weight at the extremities of the rotational components, reducing unsprung weight ....)

 

 

and yet none of these "change" the fundamental design of a two wheeled pedal driven contraption with a steering bar over the front wheel .....  

 

 

[Eldron]

Meanwhile....  https://bikerumor.com/cadex-triathlon-frame-no-top-tube-prototype/?fbclid=IwAR2lE3aciXD_tcC0_Yo551MYTQHBisUMZBdOLu2WCDOiklsvxWFLGvEghdo

[shaper]

https://www.triathlete.com/gallery/spy-shots-of-kristian-blummenfelts-new-prototype-cadex-tri-bike/

Edited May 6, 2022 by shaper

[Shebeen]

13 hours ago, MORNE said:

In essence…in design, the bicycle has not changed for close to a century.  It cant be improved in that sense. It has two wheels, a triangular frame made up of compression and tension members, some pedally bits, a thing to sit on and a thing to steer.

its the perfect example of sonething in its purest form. Anything else bolted to it us just extra…because in its purest form..its still functional as a much as a ‘modern’ version. 
 

materiality and bolt-on tech like electric motors has nothing to do with it. Unless you agree an e-bike is not a bicycle lol

agreed - exhibit A

 

[DJuice]

35 minutes ago, shaper said:

https://www.triathlete.com/gallery/spy-shots-of-kristian-blummenfelts-new-prototype-cadex-tri-bike/

Would not call that pretty.

Strange it is being promoted as Cadex, even on the tri-suit the sponsor is listed as Cadex and not Giant.

Looked at the pictures, the bike build and setup is not very neat, duct tape attached.

Edited May 6, 2022 by DJuice

[Shebeen]

19 minutes ago, DJuice said:

Would not call that pretty.

Strange it is being promoted as Cadex, even on the tri-suit the sponsor is listed as Cadex and not Giant.

Looked at the pictures, the bike build and setup is not very neat, duct tape attached.

I like the way they are using a clearly prototype bike without much lipstick on it.

#itsallabouthebike

[shaper]

29 minutes ago, DJuice said:

Would not call that pretty.

Strange it is being promoted as Cadex, even on the tri-suit the sponsor is listed as Cadex and not Giant.

Looked at the pictures, the bike build and setup is not very neat, duct tape attached.

Looks like a very rushed prototype and not the finished product. Even the Etap blips are duct taped on.  I think KB is being pretty brave to be using a prototype for such a big race.  He must have some confidence in it.

[MORNE]

that thing looks way more interesting than the BMC marketing exercise.

That bike clearly borrows from the lotus track bike at the front to help clean up the air going over the fleshy moving bit on the saddle -  to help manage the wake as the air moves backwards. It obviously tries to get a vortex off the 'fork legs' to help seal in the disturbed air around the riders moving legs.

guess they might work as rudders too keeping it goign as straight as possible...which is the point of a TT bike isn't it?

plus paint = weight haha. I like its pure, unadulterated approach. Theres a few grams to be had by removing the stickers too 🤪

Edited May 6, 2022 by MORNE

[Smartie]

1 hour ago, shaper said:

https://www.triathlete.com/gallery/spy-shots-of-kristian-blummenfelts-new-prototype-cadex-tri-bike/

Back to the future?

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, shaper said:

https://www.triathlete.com/gallery/spy-shots-of-kristian-blummenfelts-new-prototype-cadex-tri-bike/

Why bother with the right hand side of that fork? Seems like a waste of carbon ….

oh wait..