Highest carbs / 100 gram or serving products that don’t cost the earth

[Pandatron]

48 minutes ago, hansolo said:

As a >100kg cyclist myself I wish/hope I'm running at a deficit to become a <100kg cyclist... This is obviously not working for me

 

 

having ballooned to 107kg of extreme performance and then cut down to 79kg. Weight loss and trying to maintain some sort of performance was sucky and i was tired a lot. Then once at goal weight it took about 3 months to stabilize.

Its a tough road

[lechatnoir]

mmm. seems insulin release isn't halted, rather insulin sensitivity is enhanced when muscles are doing work. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00123.2005 (the conclusion is interesting)

I wonder if there are any studies on chugging gels while out in the wilderness while being pre-diabetic? and then factor in a case where over-fueling is happening. what happens to the subject?

[Pandatron]

19 minutes ago, lechatnoir said:

mmm. seems insulin release isn't halted, rather insulin sensitivity is enhanced when muscles are doing work. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00123.2005 (the conclusion is interesting)

I wonder if there are any studies on chugging gels while out in the wilderness while being pre-diabetic? and then factor in a case where over-fueling is happening. what happens to the subject?

Given that we all tend to underfuel, extreme edge case?

[ChrisF]

1 hour ago, Pandatron said:

having ballooned to 107kg of extreme performance and then cut down to 79kg. Weight loss and trying to maintain some sort of performance was sucky and i was tired a lot. Then once at goal weight it took about 3 months to stabilize.

Its a tough road

 

Weight loss and exercise is a bumpy road, especially from my 110kg high.

 

Initially the weight loss seems reasonably straight forward.  Then I hit a value on the scale, but my belt size kept on decreasing.  Thankfully I had access to a student that took regular body fat % readings for me.  In the next few months the scale indicate a weight increase of 4kg, as my body fat kept on decreasing.

 

Best wishes on that journey.

 

1 hour ago, lechatnoir said:

mmm. seems insulin release isn't halted, rather insulin sensitivity is enhanced when muscles are doing work. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00123.2005 (the conclusion is interesting)

I wonder if there are any studies on chugging gels while out in the wilderness while being pre-diabetic? and then factor in a case where over-fueling is happening. what happens to the subject?

 

There are masters and doctoral studies done on diabetics and sports.  I was fortunate to have a session with a dietitian that did her masters on diabetics and athletes.

 

Most of it was way over my head .... but a few key bits stuck.

 

YOUR DIAGNOSES is different to the next, AND this has a huge impact on what nutrician such a specialist will recommend for YOU.  As a Type 2 diabetic with a constant HBA1C reading over a number of years I was recommended a particular nutrician strategy.  It WORKS for me.  Sure, took a good few rides to get used to it.  But it served me very well at last years 3-day Trans Augrabies.

 

Should add, the strategy FOR ME includes:

- PRE-ride breakfast  (biggest challenge for me is a races that start 3 or 4 hours after breakfast)

- first hour I should only need water, as the breakfast is still doing its thing.

- then the X per hour nutrician kicks in, until the end.

- Do NOT end the race hungry.

- Recovery meal, portion of carbs and a portion of protien, translation a chicken sandwich.  And a Steri-Stumpie

 

PS - VERY easy to overdo fueling on training rides .... less effort, too much food, .... 

 

PPS - if my diagnoses was any different, then she was going to give me a different "X per hour" .... most likely different food stuffs as well

 

 

 

certainly not a one size fits all when diabetis enters the story line ...

[DMid]

 

Ross Tucker and Mike finch discussing nutrition. I think one of the best I've heard. Never tried it on a run where "mechanical agitation" makes it all worse.

[Mook]

12 hours ago, ChrisF said:

 

Weight loss and exercise is a bumpy road, especially from my 110kg high.

 

Initially the weight loss seems reasonably straight forward.  Then I hit a value on the scale, but my belt size kept on decreasing.  Thankfully I had access to a student that took regular body fat % readings for me.  In the next few months the scale indicate a weight increase of 4kg, as my body fat kept on decreasing.

 

Best wishes on that journey.

 

 

There are masters and doctoral studies done on diabetics and sports.  I was fortunate to have a session with a dietitian that did her masters on diabetics and athletes.

 

Most of it was way over my head .... but a few key bits stuck.

 

YOUR DIAGNOSES is different to the next, AND this has a huge impact on what nutrician such a specialist will recommend for YOU.  As a Type 2 diabetic with a constant HBA1C reading over a number of years I was recommended a particular nutrician strategy.  It WORKS for me.  Sure, took a good few rides to get used to it.  But it served me very well at last years 3-day Trans Augrabies.

 

Should add, the strategy FOR ME includes:

- PRE-ride breakfast  (biggest challenge for me is a races that start 3 or 4 hours after breakfast)

- first hour I should only need water, as the breakfast is still doing its thing.

- then the X per hour nutrician kicks in, until the end.

- Do NOT end the race hungry.

- Recovery meal, portion of carbs and a portion of protien, translation a chicken sandwich.  And a Steri-Stumpie

 

PS - VERY easy to overdo fueling on training rides .... less effort, too much food, .... 

 

PPS - if my diagnoses was any different, then she was going to give me a different "X per hour" .... most likely different food stuffs as well

 

 

 

certainly not a one size fits all when diabetis enters the story line ...

I am not a diabetic, yet @ChrisF nails the generic approach in terms of what/when. The standout advice that I will fall by has to be the post-ride Chocolate Steri-Stumpie.

Man, these little guys are evil and pack a recovery punch second to none. Saw a YT video some years back of the Australian Cycling Academy doing field tests on the effectiveness of a few recovery specific drinks, including a chocolate "steri-stumpie" type drink. Turned out that your local supermarket's chocolate milk took down most of the competition in that test.

 

 

[ChrisF]

34 minutes ago, Mook said:

I am not a diabetic, yet @ChrisF nails the generic approach in terms of what/when. The standout advice that I will fall by has to be the post-ride Chocolate Steri-Stumpie.

Man, these little guys are evil and pack a recovery punch second to none. Saw a YT video some years back of the Australian Cycling Academy doing field tests on the effectiveness of a few recovery specific drinks, including a chocolate "steri-stumpie" type drink. Turned out that your local supermarket's chocolate milk took down most of the competition in that test.

 

 

 

Will admit I LOVE a coffee Steri-Stumpie 

[bleedToWin]

26 minutes ago, ChrisF said:

 

Will admit I LOVE a coffee Steri-Stumpie 

The Faircape ones they give at the end of Durbie Dash are so good! 👌

[dave303e]

On 4/26/2024 at 5:02 PM, Shebeen said:

I have never been that scientific on this, but bananas are about R2.50 each and have 25g of carbs.

100grams of carbs an hour is then 4 bananas an hour, 4 hour ride is 16 bananas in your pockets. 16 gels take up a lot less space.

20 hours ago, reteid said:

I have learned the hard way that you have to train your gut to accept and distribute the amount of carb you can take. Start with small amounts and gradualy increase.You will find the tipping point between performing and standing bent over in bushes or looking for the nearest loo. This should all be done during training and then adjusted to race conditions.Train your gut

This is a key step and cannot be missed. Been there done that...

14 hours ago, ChrisF said:

 

Weight loss and exercise is a bumpy road, especially from my 110kg high.

 

Initially the weight loss seems reasonably straight forward.  Then I hit a value on the scale, but my belt size kept on decreasing.  Thankfully I had access to a student that took regular body fat % readings for me.  In the next few months the scale indicate a weight increase of 4kg, as my body fat kept on decreasing.

 

Best wishes on that journey.

 

 

There are masters and doctoral studies done on diabetics and sports.  I was fortunate to have a session with a dietitian that did her masters on diabetics and athletes.

 

Most of it was way over my head .... but a few key bits stuck.

 

YOUR DIAGNOSES is different to the next, AND this has a huge impact on what nutrician such a specialist will recommend for YOU.  As a Type 2 diabetic with a constant HBA1C reading over a number of years I was recommended a particular nutrician strategy.  It WORKS for me.  Sure, took a good few rides to get used to it.  But it served me very well at last years 3-day Trans Augrabies.

 

Should add, the strategy FOR ME includes:

- PRE-ride breakfast  (biggest challenge for me is a races that start 3 or 4 hours after breakfast)

- first hour I should only need water, as the breakfast is still doing its thing.

- then the X per hour nutrician kicks in, until the end.

- Do NOT end the race hungry.

- Recovery meal, portion of carbs and a portion of protien, translation a chicken sandwich.  And a Steri-Stumpie

 

PS - VERY easy to overdo fueling on training rides .... less effort, too much food, .... 

 

PPS - if my diagnoses was any different, then she was going to give me a different "X per hour" .... most likely different food stuffs as well

 

 

 

certainly not a one size fits all when diabetis enters the story line ...

I received from a dietitian a race day eating progeam, it made huge differences on my day to day performance, it was money well spent.

 

 

As per OP, let me dig out my spread sheet, it will save you a lot of time.

Bottom line, off the shelf drink wise you can't beat Biogen Pure energy, in rand per bottle or rand per g carbs. You can do it cheaper making your own but the balance of convenience was key for me.

[cadenceblur]

47 minutes ago, bleedToWin said:

The Faircape ones they give at the end of Durbie Dash are so good! 👌

try the First Choice recovery drinks - also great - 21g of protein per 250ml

[Kom]

59 minutes ago, dave303e said:

Bottom line, off the shelf drink wise you can't beat Biogen Pure energy, in rand per bottle or rand per g carbs. You can do it cheaper making your own but the balance of convenience was key for me.

The flavors tho - i wish more brands would just do neutral flavors so we can use a tab to create our own flavor preference (Ive been using ReFuel for this single purpose, great product in terms of bang for the buck).

2 hours ago, ChrisF said:

Will admit I LOVE a coffee Steri-Stumpie 

Me too - but - the macros are not the same as the Choc variant Steri Stumpie - placebo or not, single handedly my best recovery drink.

[ajnkzn]

Thanks - Biogen Pure Energy is the one I buy - mango / orange flavor is waaaay more palatable than the tropical island. 

[bleedToWin]

4 minutes ago, ajnkzn said:

Thanks - Biogen Pure Energy is the one I buy - mango / orange flavor is waaaay more palatable than the tropical island. 

With table sugar the primary ingredient I'd be surprised if I could get more than 50g of their mix (40g carb) into a bottle and still have it be palatable.

[Shebeen]

2 hours ago, dave303e said:

100grams of carbs an hour is then 4 bananas an hour, 4 hour ride is 16 bananas in your pockets. 16 gels take up a lot less space.

agreed. My point was eg. that 2 gels and 2 bananas might be the happy medium if you want energy and on a budget. - especially if you're at a race with waterpoints.

2 hours ago, dave303e said:

As per OP, let me dig out my spread sheet, it will save you a lot of time.

Bottom line, off the shelf drink wise you can't beat Biogen Pure energy, in rand per bottle or rand per g carbs. You can do it cheaper making your own but the balance of convenience was key for me.

That's good to know, happy in the knowledge you have spreadsheeted the cowturd out of this one!

 

 

not sure where I heard this but it was a few years ago, apparently these were secret weapon in the propeleton. Guys would clear out the garage stores on a training rides that went too far.

 

[BuffsVintageBikes]

Those Cola Haribo's would go well with Brandy snaps 😉

[ChrisF]

42 minutes ago, BuffsVintageBikes said:

Those Cola Haribo's would go well with Brandy snaps 😉

 

It is rumoured THAT is how roadies discovered gravel riding ..... too much klippies and coke ...