CSA Licences

[Delgado]

I agree with E1A104!!!!!  Just sell me the lic' date=' that's it.  Most clubs don't give me the support I want (I'm not saying no support!!!) [/quote'] Agreed 100%!! Nobody dictates to me when I ride, at what speed I ride and what I must wear when I ride. Those draconian days ended with the SADF!!

 

If we must have a license then so be it!! But CSA must show clearly where the money is being utilised!!

Delgado2007-07-06 02:00:52

[Delgado]

Muxman - Leading candidate for 2007 worst rider award - i think you are a leading candidate for another award....most ignorant perhaps. licensing is going to happen so get with the programme.

 

Now you just had to get personal didn't you? Your post above at least contributed something towards the subject unlike this one. So do me a favour either carry on contributing towards the subject and refrain from commenting on my intelligence or shut the ****up.

 

Admin I will gladly accept my ban for this. Thanks

 

Well said !!! Good on ya mate!!

[E1A104]

Muxman - Leading candidate for 2007 worst rider award - i think you are a leading candidate for another award....most ignorant perhaps. licensing is going to happen so get with the programme.

Now you just had to get personal didn't you? Your post above at least contributed something towards the subject unlike this one. So do me a favour either carry on contributing towards the subject and refrain from commenting on my intelligence or shut the ****up.

Admin I will gladly accept my ban for this. Thanks

 

With you on this one MuxMan.

[Robotech]

I'm encouraged to see so much debate on this topic...I would like to hear what the CSA has to say on the matter...I think we are more frustrated with the fact that we do not have sufficient info to go on...this again comes to the lack of communication from CSA.

If they want a smooth transition to a licensing scenario then they must start to talk with the people affected by it all...

 

I would like to know what time the interview is happening an whether we will have an opportunity to call in and ask questions.

 

I you guys really feel that strong about the issue then listen and call in on Saturday...

 

Remember we are all cyclists/fun riders...do not get personal...

[porky]

But that is the point' date=' is it not. Most people on the road are funriders. Those that want to "race", pay your fees and race.

I feel that there will be less people riding "organised" rides like the 94.7 etc and more people riding funrides without proper marshals etc.

I think that a licence forced upon someone will be the end of the social rider who want to have fun. Maybe this is not the correct forum as most of you are "cyclists" not riders.
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Yes, quite correct - most of the folk here have something to prove - there are few if any fun riders.

 

...........Anyway, I am firstly a runner and secondly a cyclist, I already belong to two running clubs and have no intention of joining a third cycling club which I will never support or even visit.

 

I have no intention of getting a cycling license because I only do two or three races a year, so even though I have a 2.50 (94.7) and a 3.15 (argus) I am now condemmend to ride with the ZZZ at 10 am??

 

What sort of democracy is that.?

 

Lets just FORGET running, I have run long enough to know all about licences, but firstly taking out a day license in running dos not condemn you to starting at the back or give you a time penalty, secondly taking out a day license is unconditional, take as many as you like (cycling wants to limit it to three I think).

 

Most folk who throw up the running argument - ARNT EVEN RUNNERS - THEY JUST KIND OF HEARD ABOUT IT BUT HAVE NO REAL KNOWLEDGE OF HOW IT WORKS.!!

 

Anyway, running is a bad example, its in decline and mainly because the bulk of the SA runners cant afford a license,travel to the race and race entry, most of them can barely afford to eat.

 

I wont be buying a license and I wont be joining a club, if I cant join in on the few main events and enjoy a day in the sun with my family - well stuff it - they dont need me. 

[MichaelH]

Let me contribute my two cents worth, if I may.

 

I am in favour of a licensing system.

 

This is my principal reason (I have others!). Unfortunately, at the moment, I can't kick anyone's butt because of the disgraceful state of affairs SA cycling finds itself in. However, if I am a licensed rider, belonging to a club with proper affiliation to the national body, I am then able to do something. I would have been party to electing those officials and if they don't perform - out they go! At the moment, whoever is in charge is not answerable to me - since I am not part of that organisation! 

 

And just by the way, if I was officially part of the organisation (as a licensed, subscription-paying member) and I didn't like the way things were being done, why all I would have to do, is get myself elected, and we would all be doing it my way! Just kidding!! But you get the point, I hope?

 

[E1A104]

I still do not see the need for a club in what you are saying. Most of the guys I ride with agree that licensing is required but being forced to join a club is a big no-no. Happy to pay the licence fee and an affiliation fee to my local Cycling Body but draw the line at being "blackmailed" into swelling the coffers of some club I do not really want to join/ride with.

[SwissVan]

I still do not see the need for a club in what you are saying. Most of the guys I ride with agree that licensing is required but being forced to join a club is a big no-no. Happy to pay the licence fee and an affiliation fee to my local Cycling Body but draw the line at being "blackmailed" into swelling the coffers of some club I do not really want to join/ride with.

 

I agree, CSA should also be classed as a club, so if u dont want to join a club and pay license fees then you just join CSA - QED?

 

 

[Poison Ivy]

I still do not see the need for a club in what you are saying. Most of the guys I ride with agree that licensing is required but being forced to join a club is a big no-no. Happy to pay the licence fee and an affiliation fee to my local Cycling Body but draw the line at being "blackmailed" into swelling the coffers of some club I do not really want to join/ride with.

 

The Clubs are affilated to the Province they belong to and the Province is affilated to CSA.  You need some sort of structure.  Otherwise everybody can just do as they please and te hell with the rest. 

 

 

 

 

[Cois]

Ek ry dalk een keer in 'n jaar 'n rit (gewoonlik die 94.7) die res van die tyd speel ek in die modder met my fiets en as daar dalk 'n lekker rit iewers is sal ek dit oorweeg om die rit te gaan doen, maar in die laaste 3 jaar het ek 1 rit gery. Die 94.7. Hoekom moet ek - 'n ou wat fiets mal is betaal vir iets wat ek 2 keer 'n jaar gaan gebruik?

 

 

 

Dis in elke geval die rede hoekom ek nie meer in 'n klub is nie - behalwe dat myne toe gemaak het...

[E1A104]

So why can I not affiliate with the Provincial Body directly? The structure is still there, it's just more efficient as there is one less layer involved, unless of course there is some kickback involved somewhere along the line....??

[Cois]

And the best part is that if you are a member of a club, the club can just decide that they want to close shop - eg Elim and Christian Wheelers - and what then?

 

 

 

Join one of those mega clubs. I will buy a lic if I can go direct and skip the club thing!

[porky]

Let me contribute my two cents worth' date=' if I may.

I am in favour of a licensing system.

This is my principal reason (I have others!). Unfortunately, at the moment, I can't kick anyone's butt because of the disgraceful state of affairs SA cycling finds itself in. However, if I am a licensed rider, belonging to a club with proper affiliation to the national body, I am then able to do something. I would have been party to electing those officials and if they don't perform - out they go! At the moment, whoever is in charge is not answerable to me - since I am not part of that organisation! 

And just by the way, if I was officially part of the organisation (as a licensed, subscription-paying member) and I didn't like the way things were being done, why all I would have to do, is get myself elected, and we would all be doing it my way! Just kidding!! But you get the point, I hope?
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Its a point MichaelH - but unfortunately in the real world, not to be taken in too much faith.

 

I have belonged to a running club for over 20 years, there are lots of things I (and many other runners) dont agree with, however "belonging" to or "been part of the system" is not necessarily going to change it.

 

Regretably, if you belive that, you may well be in for a serious surprize.

 

There are lots of the "good old boys" around who have more say than 2000 members, frankly I dont see it been too differant in cycling.

 

Anyway, back to the point, a licensing system belongs to the ark, it was a great way 20 years ago to get folk involved in clubs as a social side to the sport (we didnt have TV then) so it did work somewhat, today I really see little or no value in clubs, what do they do I cant do on my own??

 

I belong to two running clubs (why........I dont know) but seldom if ever bother going there or training with them, and I am not alone, just look at the runners on the road, most are singles ot two, not mass training club runs.

 

If the CSA wants to honestly find out how many cyclists there are WHO COMPETE REGULARLY (and I believe they are using this simply as a front for a sneaky way to gather funds) - all they really have to do is get the entry data base from S/C .

 

Why on earth do they need to know about Ma and Pa who only take out their bike to ride once a year if they feel like it. 

 

If you are a competitive cyclist, well fine do the license bit, but if you are a fun rider, I see nothing in it for me except a lighter wallet.

 

[Old Dog]

And here's another thread to the thread - cyclists such as myself who are retired/self employed, etc., who can do all the riding they like during the sensible hours of the week and don't really have a need to participate in organised events at crazy times in the morning, but would like to do the Argus once a year. Does this proposed licensing story imply that I would have to get a license just to do that one event a year?

I am still confused as to the relationship between the PPA's and CSA. Having just received a reminder that the PPA's subs are due, is the implication now that I will also have to pay a clubs subs and also for a license? Perhaps PPA membership could be considered a club?

How many remember the situation in UK about 15 years ago when the British Cycling Fed started gettin too arrogant, so a splinter group started and grew so rapidly that it had more members than the BSF, which put the UCI in a predicament as they will only recognise one national body per country. That issue finally got resolved but not until the BSF made committents towards a more democratic management!

What I foresee is that the already existing informal weekend/evening groups will grow and fewer riders will take part in organised events and at the end of the day nobody will score!!

[Frosty]

Hi

On SAfm on Saturday' date=' we are chatting with the President of CSA, Lawrence Whittaker.
They are looking to enforce a law, that to take part in any cycling race in South Africa, one has to be a licenced cyclist. The cost should be around R150 per year.

I would like to know what you think about that.

Will it stop you from taking part in fun rides? Are you willing to pay that for some added CSA protection?

Let me know so that I can bring it up on air on Saturday.

Jon Gericke
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Did anyone listen to the show??
I tuned in whenever I could, but every time there was rugby on (Tri-nations and Currie Cup).

 

Would like to know what was discussed and if anything meaningful came out of the show.

[Red Zone]

There is nothing that grates me more than another form of taxation, which if you want to compete or even participate in an organised ride, you have no option but to pay.

 

If there were value added benefits which would acrue to the sport or us the non pro riders it would be different. But I am sure this will be just another way of swelling the coffers of an organisation that does precious little for the broader cycling community.

 

Lawrence Whittaker said they will give value added services like a rewards credit card. Another credit card, woopy, that is not value added, we all know that reward systems are just cheep marketing.

 

It irks me that I would have to pay for the occasional (very) ride my wife does, simply for fun or a change of scenery. She also gets to start right at the back, often arriving when the timing mats are gone, marshals are letting cars onto the course and the drinks at the end are finished.

 

The point is CSA look after a very small bunch of cyclists, so we have a case of the masses paying to support an underperforming organisation and a small number of benefiting riders.

 

There should be some way of stopping this madness. I get pretty upset, I love my riding and love competing, but hate the heavy handed way things are being run.