NEW LICENSE RULES!

[fandacious]

Any sport ? r u sure ? 100% ?

 

ok maybe not jukskei or something silly, but the MAJORITY of mainstream sports. Everyone is always saying they want cycling to be more recognized, bigger, better run, etc, but the moment you have to pay R200 for an annual license, they moan about it.

 

Which mainstream sports do NOT require clubs/membership fees if you want plan on COMPETING (not just for fun)?

[fandacious]

Ok ... so.. after thinking a bit about this.

 

1) Are you going to change anything by whinging about it in this forum? Probably not

2) Are you going to change anything by whinging about it to CSA? Again - probably not?

3) If we call in George Bush will anything happen? Probably not..

 

So,

 

either pay your R200 / year or dont ride races any more

[pastapouch]

its not about the money... we're paying for something that we don't get anything from

  

apparently you're not getting much from your 50k bike either...

 

yes I did' date=' R34,000...

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So then why bitch about the R30 you need to pay for a license. ANY sport where you're going to win prize money will require that you have a license and are affiliated to a club

 

what do I get for my licence?

[lowracer]

ok, i'm not going to win any races anytime soon ... if ever. i might win one or 2 category races .. if i am the only one in the category.

 

I guess the csa is one of the things everyone loves to hate. what i dont understand is why they dont really do the effort to contribute to the forums, so that we can understand. we know some of them frequent the forums. except if they dont have the answer themselves.

 

for the cyclist, who buys the cyclosport licence, or the temp licence. if he wins his category, will he get some prize money, or only if he is one of the elite riders?

 

I dont think it has been satisfactorily answered what the difference between the cyclosport licence and a recreational licence is, or where you fit in between the two if you buy a temp licence. or is the recreational licence for the 3rd grade citizens of cycling?

 

btw, are there different annual running licences (i'm excluding the day licences) and is the current 3 tier licence structure cycling specific?

 

 

 

 

[dirtrider]

You first get your house in order before you demand !!!! If they wanna behave like our govermunt then they should be treated as such ! Only recently has CSA come forward with a plan of action that makes a little bit of sense . I have never believed in this concept of pay now we may deliver later !!!! And the fact that it is R10 or R1000 does not make a difference !!! It is my money and u not getting it , SAB needs it more !

[fandacious]

It is my money and u not getting it ' date=' SAB needs it more ![/quote']

 

 

Well if that was the argument then you'd win hands down!!

[dirtrider]

[Icarus]

Would license fees make more sense if we knew EXACTLY where the money went? I don't mind paying, for me it's much more fun to fork out R60 to cycle my ass off than to pay almost the same amount to see a movie, BUT then I want to know the money is being used wisely and efficiently.

 

is there some way of auditing the money that goes towards cycling events? 

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

.............so lets look to another sport please

Which sport do you want to look at ?     Every sport has the same structure and rules' date=' tennis, hockey, rugby, cricket, swimming, Pigdeon racing, show jumping, Endurance horse riding, snooker, darts, Karate, wrestling and Boxing.  Why should cycling be a special case?

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"Absolute Rubbish" guy in pink.!

 

It seems to me you are doing a bit of thumb sucking here, Just from the few sports you mention you dont need to belong to any formal CLUB structure to play, tennis, golf, swimming, squash,and definately NOT for Pigeon racing, if its considered a sport.

 

On sports like Karate, Boxing and wrestling you need to join a do jo or club, for the simple reason of "formal training" by a qualified instructor - how do you learn the sport of karate, boxing etc (unless you come from Boksburg - sorry Scotty!) without training - last time I looked you dont need formal training to ride a bike. 

 

The fact is the club system is a "dinosaur" its never worked well in any sport, because it serves no purpose other than a cash collecting mechanism, I can train just as well on my own (and do) if I am good enough I will enter and win races on my own and get noticed - so WHY do we need clubs?     

 

lets try and be more mature in our thinking - most sports are run via a club/province and national body. for  "individual sports" like tennis , golf , running and cycling you don't need to belong to a club but in most case you will pay more as a recreational participant and will be last in line when being considered  (try and get a game of golf on a saturday avie) (btw what are green fees nowadays for a non club member)

i can't see what is wrong in belonging to a club , getting involved and contributing (in any way wotsoever) to electing the right people to run YOUR club province and nat body.

[Ox_Wagon]

Running has one license that is applicable for all the disciplines (Road, track and xc). There is a temp license for races over 5km (Fun runs). The temp license cost anything between R15 ?R20 depending of the distance.  Some big (looooong) races like Comrades require that you are licensed.  <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

My club plus license fee was R220 (R75 license fee) this year.  I moved to a multi sport running club which makes it possible to also get a Cyclosport license without having to join another club.

 

Running should not be used as a good example.  The club system work in that race is organized by a club which keeps the cost down.  The relationship with ASA and road running isn?t very good.   They tend to want to meddle where they should not. They forced Comrades to move and then banned all road races on youth day.  They also tried to force organizers to drop some of the longer races because they felt there where to many on the calendar.  Next they tried to give their race series preferential treatment and have long established race before and after their race cancelled.

 

The problem is that most of the license fees come from the road runners.  But most of the money is spend on track (Olympic) athletics which is a small elite group and admin fees (including trips to world cup events and the Olympics for officials).  I see the same thing happening in cycling.  Most of the money will be spend on a small elite group, road and track, and the rest on admin.

 

I consider my running license fee as Running Tax.  Now I will have to start paying Cycling Tax too.   

[E1A104]

The problem is not the paying of the licence fee and/or CSA licence fees - that I am happy to do. What irks me is being forced to join a club and pay even more fees in the form of club joining fees and kit fees etc etc on top of that????? I'M HAPPY TO PAY FOR A LICENCE BUT NOT TO JOIN A CLUB!!!

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

 

The problem is that most of the license fees come from the road runners.  But most of the money is spend on track (Olympic) athletics which is a small elite group and admin fees (including trips to world cup events and the Olympics for officials).  I see the same thing happening in cycling.  Most of the money will be spend on a small elite group' date=' road and track, and the rest on admin.

 

I consider my running license fee as Running Tax.  Now I will have to start paying Cycling Tax too.   

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my 2 c . at the moment , any money that is raised by the licensed cyclist pays for admin costs ie there is no other funds available to send representative teams o/seas or implement any development. so what is the alternative? carry on as we have been since pa fell off the bus or ???? the majority of the cyclist in the argus / 94.7 are recreational and are quite prepared to pay in excess of R150 to ride the event without having any say as to where those funds are employed. is the money raised ploughed back into cycling? NO

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

The problem is not the paying of the licence fee and/or CSA licence fees - that I am happy to do. What irks me is being forced to join a club and pay even more fees in the form of club joining fees and kit fees etc etc on top of that????? I'M HAPPY TO PAY FOR A LICENCE BUT NOT TO JOIN A CLUB!!!

 

unless things have changed in the past few months then i think that you should take out a "cyclosport license" as you don't have to belong to a club to do this. u can download it from the CSA website.

[Ox_Wagon]

That is why I call it Tax. Pay it and don't expect anything in return.

[pbp2007]

 

. is the money raised ploughed back into cycling? NO

 

The funds are raised as a direct result of cycling. Sounds to me like ploughing back.

 

 

 

 

[RodTi]

So... uhm.

 

What about writing the SuperCycling people with a link to this thread - explaining that there appears to be HUGE unhappiness (not to mention serious confusion) about the new licensing system - and get the CSA people on the show to "please explain"?

 

Has this been done yet [haven't watched SS for ages now]?

Would it help?

 

Shout if you all think its a worthwhile suggestion...