Lucky Luke. Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) As a rider, I feel your pain. As an organiser, I don't expect your sympathy, but let's be realistic: a 15 km road run in a confined area lasting 2 hours is vastly different from a bike race covering the entire South Peninsula and lasting 4 hours. Our little 75 km ride gets a R20 000 bill from the traffic department alone. Then there's the R12 000 to Pedal Power, I think R5 000 to medical, etc etc. We can't cover all points with volunteers from the club, so we get the help of other service organisations. For which we pay. The wailing of violins must be deafening by now, but I should also add that all the proceeds two years ago went towards buying a specialised unit for Red Cross Children's hospital. Last year, when the NSRI needed a new computer, we paid for it. Etc, etc. I know this has nothing to do with the enjoyment of your ride, and very little to do with how much you pay. Just thought you needed to know. We charge the PPA recommended fees, by the way. And our books are open to scrutiny. How much would you save by putting on a hill climb time trial or a criterium with a maximum distance of say 5km? Action would be focused on one spot, with more to watch, potentially bigger crowds and bigger secondary revenue generation as a result. Join forces with other crowd pullers like craft markets, organic markets or get local cycling industry businesses / brands to exhibit, and you have a much more interesting event than what we are seeing today. Crits for example can be held off-street in car parks where the traffic department is not needed. Hill climbs can happen in suburban areas where traffic is minimal. The PPA needs more events like this anyway to get better seeding data. Why is nobody doing this? Maybe you can shed some light? Look at how big Cyclocross is for instance in Holland and Belgium, partly because the format of a short circuit creates festive event for spectators. Some of the races even go straight through the beer tent. Edited January 28, 2011 by Luke.
TNT1 Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Our little 75 km ride gets a R20 000 bill from the traffic department alone. Then there's the R12 000 to Pedal Power, I think R5 000 to medical, etc etc. Not to mention the amount CSA want...
pastapouch Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Does the goody bag have a big tub of vaseline in it? Or maybe some orange sherbert to convince you of the bargain race you've done.There is only one cycle race that charges at a similar level. You know that really overhyped 7day oneWho said its a bargain....... and why is that, both are internationally sanctioned, with international price money to bring the international riders here. I would love to see when the Epic goes to Rand price money, with entry fees R2000 for 9 days(btw). What will happen there. If you want to race with the international pros, you have to enter their races, and that is in Euros.The Epic overhyped? LOL You clearly haven't done any of the overhyped races.
Mojoman Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I agree the Sabie classic is only R175.00 similar the Monster , with huge orgaization required and some local small races charge the same- Like Red Stone last weekend!Such as the Bekker Bundu Bash (well, the 2011 race anyway..), cost about R130-150 (can't remember), was a terrible race, poorly marked and routed and then we get a medal left over from the Harties Sasko Challenge!! That was it, oh, and a horrible energy bar!I won't be doing that race this year, even if it is 5km from where I live!!
Mojoman Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 How much would you save by putting on a hill climb time trial or a criterium with a maximum distance of say 5km? Action would be focused on one spot, with more to watch, potentially bigger crowds and bigger secondary revenue generation as a result. Join forces with other crowd pullers like craft markets, organic markets or get local cycling industry businesses / brands to exhibit, and you have a much more interesting event than what we are seeing today. Crits for example can be held off-street in car parks where the traffic department is not needed. Hill climbs can happen in suburban areas where traffic is minimal. The PPA needs more events like this anyway to get better seeding data. Why is nobody doing this? Maybe you can shed some light? Look at how big Cyclocross is for instance in Holland and Belgium, partly because the format of a short circuit creates festive event for spectators. Some of the races even go straight through the beer tent.How many come out the other end though...!
Sarge Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Hi,I agree, cycle races are very expensive compared to running. There is also a stack more marshalling etc and a water point every 3km. Most cycle races (up to 80 km) only have a water point at the 1/2 way.RegardsSarge
dirtrider Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I think the big issue is how the entry fee of a race get higher and higher every year , and we are not talking inflation rate increase , 30-40% is the norm . I only do two stage races a year now and although the price of these event (3 Towers excluded) have also gone through the roof . And I don't even miss the weekend races , we are so spoiled with bike parks that I still get to ride with a crowd .
Barend de Arend Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I don't care about the goody bag. If I want toothpaste I'll go to pick and pay. I do care about medical response and road closure. And I'll gladly pay for them. I don't get these on training rides. If paying for those means that they're a bit more expensive, then so be it. I also don't care for 90 km races. I'll pay for a decent distance, or a crit. The last two years races have gotten shorter and easier, so there's less of an attraction to me. Crits are great: small amount of road closure. Which means fewer marshals, fewer metro costs, better spectator value, etc. The thing about crits is you can't let the pros and the plebs (ie. me) loose on the same course at the same time, so you have to limit the number of entries.
scotty Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 [/b]How many come out the other end though...! Good question
Lucky Luke. Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Good question See for yourselves - the beer tent section crops up at 1:40
Shebeen Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Who said its a bargain....... and why is that, both are internationally sanctioned, with international price money to bring the international riders here. I would love to see when the Epic goes to Rand price money, with entry fees R2000 for 9 days(btw). What will happen there. If you want to race with the international pros, you have to enter their races, and that is in Euros.The Epic overhyped? LOL You clearly haven't done any of the overhyped races. okee dokee.we're talking about joe hubber here. these races are large financial undertakings to compete in and while a certain portion goes towards the race most of it towards the hype surrounding the event. Just the other day there was someone here selling an epic entry as a 'once in a lifetime opportunity'. do me a favour, love. sure for semi-pro sa mtbers(who don't pay the entry fee anyway) its pretty rad to race with the euro pros, but joe hubber only sees them at the prizegiving. Don't think prizemoney lures them here either, they're here for training and/or for sponsors/uci points. if me and my buddy piet do a shitload of training and mainline epo everynight and take a few shortcuts and we win a stage and come 4th overall...we will cover our entry fee. platt and sahm will get 5000euros each if they win...hardly compensation for pro riders who dedicate their year to this event. now it's not all bad and these events have done a helluva lot of good for the sports, but they have definitely raised the bar for entry fees and directly helped other races justify larger than inflation increases. and ja, i haven't done either of them mainly because i think the entry fees are unjustified in terms of value so i go elsewhere.
reteid Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 sorry also had to ad that sometimes i ride on my own and drink beer.
pbp2007 Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) The Olympic Cycles/Pres Les/Foord Asset Journey 4 Sight n Service is organised by the Lions Club of Kirstenbosch. I am a volunteer assistant to the convener. As financials for this year’s event are not yet finalised, I’ve provided figures for 2010, which offered both a long and a short ride. In 2011 we were allowed to run the event on condition we had only one ride. As a result, this year we lost income from an estimated 200 riders. Although financial details involving paper cups, string and Prestik may be of interest to some, I’ve extracted only the more significant numbers. Bear in mind that we see this as a fund-raising venture for charity. Others might use the income in other ways, for instance to profit themselves, or to offset the entry fees. Suffice it to say that the event’s viability is significantly dependent on sponsors and volunteers – some of whom only come in not because of cycling, but because of the association with Kirstenbosch Lions. INCOME (summary)Online entries: 29 881Late entries: 41 515Sponsorships: 42 450Total income: 120 686 EXPENSES (summary)Pedal Power fee: 11 500Late entry “premium” paid to PPA: 1 712Temporary numbers/CSA licence fee: 495CSA fee (R2 per rider): 2 200CSA licence fee: 1 274Traffic department fee*: 8 630*Reduced after representations – they quoted close to R20 000Medical team: 3780Venue hire: 3 500Marshals*: 12 100*NSRI, service clubs, Hamnet, etcMedals: 12 350Total expenses: 68 541Profit (allocated to Lions Projects Fund): 52 145 Edited January 28, 2011 by pbp2007
AndreZA Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 CSA fee (R2 per rider): 2 200CSA licence fee: 1 274 Why do you pay CSA fee aswell? All the riders do so already.
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