Ok hubber - I know this comment is not really welcome here and I have not read the full tread - but at any rate: 1. I went to school with David George (DG) and then he stared cycling! 2. I help him a bit, been the older here, we talking the 80ies! 3. What you guys don't know I pleaded with Lawrence Whittaker (PPA chairman at the time) to allowed DG to ride with the A group in a local fun ride to prove himself - needless to say he won he event, off the top of my head, he broke away at the start of the event which then went straight up Constantia Nek too win the event. His 1st proper race round Rondebosch common UCT circuit race - he came 4th ( again off the top of my head). 4. He then went a bit into the recumbent scene! 5. The following year I distinctly remember telling him to wake up in a Giro del Capo stage where on Visserhoek I was coming past him at which point he did! Alan van Heerden won the stage and DG was way ahead of me and not loosing to much time on GC. He was then still a teenager / early 20 year old - I Cannot remember! 6. I was one off two people (Willie Engelbrecht and myself) to witness 1st hand ( his service car) his ride in the 97 world championship San Sebastian world championships - I have no doubt to believe this was done on been trained properly and nothing to do with substance abuse! 7. Unfortunately I was witness to him been lead astray with US postal ( but with all due respect this is a UCI problem not a DG problem) which to a degree ended our friendship. David George was always an exceptionally talented cyclist way before he was introduced to a US postal program - whatever you Hubbers say you (99.9%) cannot claim to be that talented and dedicated to the sport of cycling. What DG has done was wrong or equal to what his fellow well most competitor were doing at the time - He was been " professional" Who the F..K are you to judge (and this by no means am I condoning what has happened in cycling / DG over the past number of year) or are you too hight on something? Yes I too am frustrated with the situation but don't isolate 1 person(s) it is the governing body at fault! People end up doing what they have to do - you too are probably no different. You guys really do not know what was going down in the the late 90ies and the up until very recently! I can assure you I am a victim of this because of my principles - but to choose to judge people is also against my principles ( that for God to do) - yup DG and myself are only two of four cyclist to have done 3 sub 2h30 Cape Argus Pick 'n Pay cycle tour - I know I have done mine 100% clean - how many have you done in what ever state? Stop judging - it just not worth it - you too I can assure you are also guilty of something! http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/16028_10151339307630310_194739080_n.jpg