Formula 1...

[justinafrika]

2 hours ago, BaGearA said:

okay but Kimi wasn't on debut 

 

Max also won his debut for redbull but he was already in F1 for a while 

Thanks.  Still keen to know what the best result is for a rookie in his first F1 race, which was my original question.

[RoddieJ]

2 hours ago, justinafrika said:

Thanks.  Still keen to know what the best result is for a rookie in his first F1 race, which was my original question.

Giancarlo Baghetti
Winner on debut of the F1 GP Ferrari at Reims in 1961 (Wikipedia)

Apprently also his only race win

Edited March 26, 2022 by RoddieJ

[Vetplant]

When was the last time that Hamilton didn't make it out of Q1? 

I think we can call it guys, Mercedes are NOT sandbagging.. 

[Vetplant]

Lekker Checo! 

Except for Mick's shunt and the obvious concern with his wellbeing, this whole Quali result suits me very well. 

[IceCreamMan]

That ladies and gentlemen was a motor race. 

[Vetplant]

9 hours ago, IceCreamMan said:

That ladies and gentlemen was a motor race. 

The unpredictability of it all is what makes it "sport". Two cars running away from the pack at will is not fun.

What we saw last night, that, was FUN! (Sorry Checo!)

Long live the 2022 season!

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

On 3/26/2022 at 8:31 PM, Vetplant said:

When was the last time that Hamilton didn't make it out of Q1? 

I think we can call it guys, Mercedes are NOT sandbagging.. 

Maybe they just forgot to tell Lewis to stop, Russell looked like he had decent pace. Not winning pace, but decent.
Lewis also looked to be making his way through the field quire comfortably, him and Perez were really hit badly by the SC/VSC.

[Robbie Stewart]

39 minutes ago, Vetplant said:

The unpredictability of it all is what makes it "sport". Two cars running away from the pack at will is not fun.

What we saw last night, that, was FUN! (Sorry Checo!)

Long live the 2022 season!

It seems like the Merc era is starting to waver, and at long last Scuderia Ferrari are back as contenders. I was torn between being a Tifosi and wanting Max and Checo to score points for RBR. All in all it was a great race and exciting to see such close racing without the usual tantrums (for the most part other than moaning about harvesting lights or crossing the pit entry lines).

Early indicators , to me at least , show that my suspicion that Russel would outdrive Hamilton is not entirely unrealistic. He is getting older, and the human body eventually resists putting up with constant pressure as experienced when driving a F1 car, and youth is firmly in Russel's favour. I suspect he's retiring at the end of this season, especially if the Merc performance lingers for an extended period.

I can't wait to see the Le Clerc, Verstappen, Sainz battles lined up for the rest of the year. Hamilton might mix it up, but I'm not so sure anymore. He seems mentally defeated to me.

[Vetplant]

3 minutes ago, Robbie Stewart said:

It seems like the Merc era is starting to waver, and at long last Scuderia Ferrari are back as contenders. I was torn between being a Tifosi and wanting Max and Checo to score points for RBR. All in all it was a great race and exciting to see such close racing without the usual tantrums (for the most part other than moaning about harvesting lights or crossing the pit entry lines).

Early indicators , to me at least , show that my suspicion that Russel would outdrive Hamilton is not entirely unrealistic. He is getting older, and the human body eventually resists putting up with constant pressure as experienced when driving a F1 car, and youth is firmly in Russel's favour. I suspect he's retiring at the end of this season, especially if the Merc performance lingers for an extended period.

I can't wait to see the Le Clerc, Verstappen, Sainz battles lined up for the rest of the year. Hamilton might mix it up, but I'm not so sure anymore. He seems mentally defeated to me.

Agree.

Checo is also showing solid pace, so that will very likely be a full 2 vs 2 battle between those two manufacturers. If GR can get in on the battle, it can only be entertaining to watch.

[Robbie Stewart]

I must be honest though and say the most fun I had watching last night's race was the battle Ocon and Alonso were having with one another. Otnar Zsafnauer must have been quietly vloeking them.

[IceCreamMan]

1 hour ago, Steven Knoetze (sk27) said:

Maybe they just forgot to tell Lewis to stop, Russell looked like he had decent pace. Not winning pace, but decent.
Lewis also looked to be making his way through the field quire comfortably, him and Perez were really hit badly by the SC/VSC.

His tyre strategy was his downfall. Mercedes here messed up. He was racing Mag for position and was undercut. Should have changed him much earlier on 

[IceCreamMan]

41 minutes ago, Robbie Stewart said:

I must be honest though and say the most fun I had watching last night's race was the battle Ocon and Alonso were having with one another. Otnar Zsafnauer must have been quietly vloeking them.

Agree. Was surprised no orders on this. Alonso did look quicker at that point anyway. 

[Robbie Stewart]

39 minutes ago, IceCreamMan said:

Agree. Was surprised no orders on this. Alonso did look quicker at that point anyway. 

Alonso is a wily old fox as they say, and he is not ready yet to go quietly into the night. Jenson even suggested that passing Alonso was a feat in and of itself, and that he detests being passed by his team mates. By the time the orders did eventually come, it was just in time for Bottas to capitulate and get the place of Ocon.

40 minutes ago, IceCreamMan said:

His tyre strategy was his downfall. Mercedes here messed up. He was racing Mag for position and was undercut. Should have changed him much earlier on 

Merc seems to be off the strategy game for the last couple of races of last year and into the current season. It seems they're a team rattled and are starting to make knee-jerk decisions. Think keeping Hamilton out during the safety car period at the season ending race at Bahrain, and again yesterday. 

Strategy wise Ferrari got it spot on yesterday when they called Le Clerc in to box and Perez responded first. They were already showing better degradation than Red Bull and Perez took the bait, giving Le Clerc the lead.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

3 hours ago, Robbie Stewart said:

It seems like the Merc era is starting to waver, and at long last Scuderia Ferrari are back as contenders. I was torn between being a Tifosi and wanting Max and Checo to score points for RBR. All in all it was a great race and exciting to see such close racing without the usual tantrums (for the most part other than moaning about harvesting lights or crossing the pit entry lines).

Early indicators , to me at least , show that my suspicion that Russel would outdrive Hamilton is not entirely unrealistic. He is getting older, and the human body eventually resists putting up with constant pressure as experienced when driving a F1 car, and youth is firmly in Russel's favour. I suspect he's retiring at the end of this season, especially if the Merc performance lingers for an extended period.

I can't wait to see the Le Clerc, Verstappen, Sainz battles lined up for the rest of the year. Hamilton might mix it up, but I'm not so sure anymore. He seems mentally defeated to me.

A lot of people said the harvesting lights was moaning, I saw it as simply a question.
Later in the race the commentators praised Lewis for his strategic use of his opponents harvesting to time DRS use and over taking. It is definitely a part of racing, and a requirement to race btw.

The white line thing, perhaps if the team answered he would repeatedly be asking........

[Robbie Stewart]

1 hour ago, Steven Knoetze (sk27) said:

A lot of people said the harvesting lights was moaning, I saw it as simply a question.
Later in the race the commentators praised Lewis for his strategic use of his opponents harvesting to time DRS use and over taking. It is definitely a part of racing, and a requirement to race btw.

The white line thing, perhaps if the team answered he would repeatedly be asking........

Look, I agree, rules are rules and they should be abided by.

But as Michael Massi so aptly replied to Toto last year, " this is a motor race " and in that light I would prefer the race to be won by whomever was the best driver on the day.

To be the best driver means you outwitted your opponent by outdriving them, and not because you managed to create some bias in the Stewards minds, whether that was justifiable or not, which results in your opponent getting some form of sanction and in so doing handing you the win. That is what I'd expect from Hamilton.

I yearn for the golden days of Formula 1 when races were won, and lost, on the race track by men who engaged in wheel to wheel racing right up to the line. More or less like what we had yesterday. But all this nonsense on the radio having a bit of a cry about some issue is too woke for my liking.

Grow a pair of balls, suck it up cupcake, and go race your frikken car like the man you are.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Robbie Stewart
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[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

24 minutes ago, Robbie Stewart said:

Look, I agree, rules are rules and they should be abided by.

But as Michael Massi so aptly replied to Toto last year, " this is a motor race " and in that light I would prefer the race to be won by whomever was the best driver on the day.

To be the best driver means you outwitted your opponent by outdriving them, and not because you managed to create some bias in the Stewards minds, whether that was justifiable or not, which results in your opponent getting some form of sanction and in so doing handing you the win. That is what I'd expect from Hamilton.

I yearn for the golden days of Formula 1 when races were won, and lost, on the race track by men who engaged in wheel to wheel racing right up to the line. More or less like what we had yesterday. But all this nonsense on the radio having a bit of a cry about some issue is too woke for my liking.

Grow a pair of balls, suck it up cupcake, and go race your frikken car like the man you are.

I am not a Lewis fan and so I saw similar communication as moaning, I prefer Max although I am not a fan and so I see it as simply communicating with his team. I know I am biased.
That being said, harvesting lights are a rule. It should be adhered to and contravening it should lead to penalties. Not to the driver in this case, but the team. Especially when they can be used strategically and so not having them gives you an advantage.

Remember, the golden years had a lot of racing for pride (Prost vs Senna for example), nowadays there is way too much money and politics involved. Those golden years are gone I am afraid. Not many drivers are willing to race wheel to wheel, of the current crop who is there that has shown they can/will? In my mind Vettel, Verstappen, Alonso, Albon, Stroll showed it a bit last night...... Who else?