Driving to the Argus Race - be careful .....

[Tumbleweed]

I thought speed limit is 60km/s an any town in South Africa, by default. No sign (excuse) needed. You know, because children tend to cross roads.

 

Km/s?!

 

Nope, there are also roads that are limited to 70 and 80 it urban areas. I think the 60 applies to built-up areas. There's little warning that you are approaching Reddersburg, and there's very little to the town.

[Danger Dassie]

I thought speed limit is 60km/s an any town in South Africa, by default. No sign (excuse) needed. You know, because children tend to cross roads.

 

Putting the sniping sarcastic commentary aside. It's not as cut and dry in a perfect world as that.

A clear issue has been pointed out with the signage and it's placement.

So passing a 120 then suddenly coming to a 60 sign is a concern no? This is before the town.

A couple of places have signs up at incorrect distances and markings, this is in itself dangerous and has nothing to do with speeding, it's entrapment to generate revenue.

[NotSoBigBen]

I don't know about driving down etc but please guys can you go now - I can't get anything done/ordered by my LBS cause they so 'busy' with your stuff

[Tumbleweed]

Putting the sniping sarcastic commentary aside. It's not as cut and dry in a perfect world as that.

A clear issue has been pointed out with the signage and it's placement.

So passing a 120 then suddenly coming to a 60 sign is a concern no? This is before the town.

A couple of places have signs up at incorrect distances and markings, this is in itself dangerous and has nothing to do with speeding, it's entrapment to generate revenue.

 

What he said. The lawyer I consulted after my arrest had dealt with many cases from the same spot, and nearly all with the same complaint. The traffic cop got upset when he demanded R1 000 for bail. I had only R700 or so on me, but he was loath to accept it, and instead wanted my wife at the time to drive with our infant son about 80kays to the nearest ATM. Luckily the station commander intervened and allowed us to get away with the reduced amount.

[Azi]

Surely they .... should be enforcing SAFETY, and a number plate is NOT a safety violation in my mind...yes it is illegal bla bla....but what is it with these cops who always target the easy money?

As cyclist we should understand the implications of a blocked number plate in a hit and run incident, and how vital it would be to tracking the perp down and getting him/her off the road. I would say that cops need to enforce "rolling violations" in that they should be driving around in unmarked cars to find dangerous and wreckless drivers and remove them from the road.

[TNT1]

I would say that cops need to enforce "rolling violations" in that they should be driving around in unmarked cars to find dangerous and wreckless drivers and remove them from the road.

 

Yeah. Whatever happened to the ghost squad?

[ibruegge]

As cyclist we should understand the implications of a blocked number plate in a hit and run incident, and how vital it would be to tracking the perp down and getting him/her off the road. I would say that cops need to enforce "rolling violations" in that they should be driving around in unmarked cars to find dangerous and wreckless drivers and remove them from the road.

 

but then people would complain about the lack of fairness, like they are complaining about a hidden speed trap. you know, we have to keep the policing fair, so that there is a chance to slow down to avoid fines and speed freely the rest of the time.

[DJR]

Yeah. Whatever happened to the ghost squad?

Now real phantoms?

[Danger Dassie]

but then people would complain about the lack of fairness, like they are complaining about a hidden speed trap. you know, we have to keep the policing fair, so that there is a chance to slow down to avoid fines and speed freely the rest of the time.

 

Funny, I thought it was about safety. Never mind fair.

As you yourself mentioned about kids crossing the road, what does a hidden speed trap do?

The point of trapping is to combat speeding in high risk areas, if a speed trap is hidden in a high risk spot. How does it negate the speedsters?

Being visible, most people would slow down.

Other traffic authorities can grasp this concept.

Azi is on the money though, rolling violations need to be enforced and acted upon as well.

[TimW]

.... Let's not even talk about the prostitutes, some way to young. The place is seedy, grimy and depressing and it makes me feel bad.

 

I spend my money elsewhere.

 

Errrr, so do you prefer spending your money on older ones?

 

Sorry, could not resist taking it out of context!

['Dale]

I thought speed limit is 60km/s an any town in South Africa, by default. No sign (excuse) needed. You know, because children tend to cross roads.

 

Sea Point's seaside rd, Beach Rd, which is the final few kms of the Argus race has a speed limit of 50....

 

Interesting.

[pastapouch]

...also , be carefull when you fill up, the petrol is past R11/l.

[Big H*]

Mr ibruegge you have made quite a few very caustic remarks on this topic. Can you please be ever so helpfull and obtain a SADC RTSM Novemeber 1997 (or later edition) and confirm that the information below is correct. I do not have the full edition here in Nigeria.

 

This will be your contribution to bring some intelligent value to this discussion

 

PS. I got another Red Snapper as a gift, not fresh but frozen this time. Even after I tried to explain to the person after the previous fracas that it is a "Red" listed species in South Africa. Should I throw it away or should I eat it?

[Bateleur1]

I drive around SA a lot and one thing I can say is that signage is a huge problem. And in a lot of cases I do think it is deliberate by the local authorities. It is very easy to miss a sign while legally passing a truck or something. Speed signs and other trafffic signs are often stolen or vandalised. And for you to come back and defend your case is expensive. So to sit on the side line and think it is your own fault for speeding is a bit one track minded in my opinion. I stick to within the speed limits but it is still easy to get caught speeding because of poor / vandalised signage.

 

Then there are all the constructions sites which make life even more interresting. You can not believe how often I pass sections of road where they have done maintenance, and everything is cleared up but the 60 km/h sign was left behind 1 km down the road.

[Tumbleweed]

Errrr, so do you prefer spending your money on older ones?

 

Sorry, could not resist taking it out of context!

 

:clap: :clap:

[Tumbleweed]

I drive around SA a lot and one thing I can say is that signage is a huge problem. And in a lot of cases I do think it is deliberate by the local authorities. It is very easy to miss a sign while legally passing a truck or something. Speed signs and other trafffic signs are often stolen or vandalised. And for you to come back and defend your case is expensive. So to sit on the side line and think it is your own fault for speeding is a bit one track minded in my opinion. I stick to within the speed limits but it is still easy to get caught speeding because of poor / vandalised signage.

 

Then there are all the constructions sites which make life even more interresting. You can not believe how often I pass sections of road where they have done maintenance, and everything is cleared up but the 60 km/h sign was left behind 1 km down the road.

 

On the N3N heading towards Gillooly's there is an 80km/h sign one metre in front of a 60km/h sign.