nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Take five mins on google - you can prove yourself wrong without too much effort. Show us the evidence. Noakes himself admits that no trial was performed. If you want to believe voodoo science, go right ahead.
BigT4 Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 This chat just goes back and forth........find what works for you, whatever diet it is and follow it through. You will eventually lose weight and feel better about yourself.
davetapson Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Noakes HIMSELF ADMITS no scientific trial was conducted. Where?
nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Nobody is telling anyone what to do. We are all free to choose. Personally I quite like what I eat. If you are sick and tired of being overweight then try it. If not continue as you were. Smoking TIK also makes you skinny but that does not make is a south health choice. Do as you see fit but be aware that what Noakes is selling as a solution has not been researched or proven by him (as he freely admits).
MTBeer Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 As I have said, Noakes and Co MAY be right but there is NO science to back them up at present. We don't go around telling people what to EAT on the basis of unproven / anecdotal evidence."After examining 72 academic studies involving more than 600,000 participants, the study, funded by the foundation, found that saturated fat consumption was not associated with coronary disease risk." er, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's a f@#$ing good chance it is a duck. "We don't go around telling people what to EAT on the basis of unproven / anecdotal evidence." - but for years we were told what to eat (high carbs) based on bad science. I'll rather listen to the duck, thanks.
jcza Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 C'mon, show us some evidence. Noakes HIMSELF ADMITS no scientific trial was conducted. I think you should provide us some EVIDENCE or concede and PLEASE don't come here with the Atkins or Paleo or Bloodgroup diets. THanks. Concede what? That the majority of the population are fatties on statins that will die of heart disease? Yes you are right.
jcza Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Smoking TIK also makes you skinny but that does not make is a south health choice. Do as you see fit but be aware that what Noakes is selling as a solution has not been researched or proven by him (as he freely admits). Thanks for the warning but after consultation with my GP and cardiologist I'm happy to continue.
davetapson Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Show us the evidence. Noakes himself admits that no trial was performed. If you want to believe voodoo science, go right ahead. Here's a nice start. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2012.01021.x/abstract;jsessionid=7396D07C42DB2B84642D35158B132AF9.d04t04 Like I said, five mins on google and you can prove yourself wrong in as many ways as you would like.
nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Where? On twitter, where (in a spat with M&G journalist) he publicly requested funding for a TRIAL (which trial has yet to be conducted).
nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Concede what? That the majority of the population are fatties on statins that will die of heart disease? Yes you are right. Evidence PLEASE. Not conjecture or ad hominem attacks.
nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Here's a nice start. http://onlinelibrary...8B132AF9.d04t04 Like I said, five mins on google and you can prove yourself wrong in as many ways as you would like. Where is NOAKES' research?
Capricorn Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Nonky: i'm not sure what exactly you are driving at harder: tryign to discredit Noakes, or disprove that the LCHF 'recommendation' doesn't work. your demand for scientific evidence from Noakes is moot in the face of ppl who have actually followed the recommendations and have improved their health. So what exactly are you driving at, and why? Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
nonky Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Here's a nice start. http://onlinelibrary...8B132AF9.d04t04 Like I said, five mins on google and you can prove yourself wrong in as many ways as you would like. "LCD was shown to have favourable effects on body weight and major cardiovascular risk factors; however the effects on long-term health are unknown." [my emphasis] Ignore the risks, you're an adult and may do as you please.
davetapson Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Where is NOAKES' research? Does research regarding LCHF not count if it is not done by Noakes? Or is Noakes not allowed to rely on other peer-reviewed, scientific studies? Have a read of Waterlogged if you want to see the value of peer-reviewed scientific studies... Blokman 1
davetapson Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) "LCD was shown to have favourable effects on body weight and major cardiovascular risk factors; however the effects on long-term health are unknown." [my emphasis] Ignore the risks, you're an adult and may do as you please. Compared to the results of the prudent diet - that are known? Raise in type 2 diabetes, obesity, heart attacks? You reckon that is preferable? Edited March 27, 2014 by davetapson Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
jcza Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 News just in Tim Noakes @ProfTimNoakes 56s Just in. #RealMealRevolution best selling South African digital book of all time eclipsing 50 Shades of Grey. Thanks SA for the fab support. Seems like getting healthy is now more important than getting laid Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and davetapson 2
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