GrumpyOldGuy Posted October 19, 2012 Share For me this isn't about cycling but about fraud, douchebaggery and acting like a knobhead. Doping has been around forever and loads of dopers made comebacks after sitting out meaningless (and restrospective) bans. The problem I have is the lack of leadership and direction from the UCI specifically. How many times must we hear " let's move forward etc"? BTW I can't wait for the new cycling season! Hmm, true, I think many people, maybe even some sponsors, would still have stuck with LA were it not for the deception, lies and bully tactics he used to keep the secret. The doping I can live with, but the rest, to me anyway, is what makes it hard to forgive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted October 19, 2012 Share Rabobank ends sponsorship Dec 2012 EDIT: Not clear if this has anything to do with USADA They pulling the plug on mens and ladies teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 19, 2012 Share Press release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted October 19, 2012 Share Yep. Did indeed And more than a few people who spoke with DG after his stint there became firm believers in the fraud that is USPS......wonder what DG could tell them that he never published (Pretty unlike DG to not speak his mind in public.....hmmmmmmm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 19, 2012 Share Yep. Did indeed There are quotes from him in a story in today's M&G. Edit: adding link http://mg.co.za/article/2012-10-19-00-sa-cyclists-keep-mum-on-armstrong-saga He basically says that out of the three Saffas that rode with him, none were in the "inner circle". Edited October 19, 2012 by Tumbleweed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted October 19, 2012 Share Seems cycling itself will be OK. I read that for the first time since 1945 more bicycles than cars were sold in Italy i think it is called recession......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted October 19, 2012 Share Not sure if its been said somewhere in this thread...., but didnt David George do a short stint in Postal? heard some interesting stories about him as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted October 19, 2012 Share So without wanting to 'cast any aspersions' but surely if everyone is/was doped to the gills then how is it possible that anyone can now say I was clean (i.e. taking NOTHING) who was riding near the front of the 'pool-a-ton' or winning? Surely even the most talented rider would not be able to keep up with/beat these 'super' athletes .... or am I totally off the mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted October 19, 2012 Share So without wanting to 'cast any aspersions' but surely if everyone is/was doped to the gills then how is it possible that anyone can now say I was clean (i.e. taking NOTHING) who was riding near the front of the 'pool-a-ton' or winning? Surely even the most talented rider would not be able to keep up with/beat these 'super' athletes .... or am I totally off the mark? well to play devils advocate - hamilton reckons you can maybe win 1 stage clean, but definitely not the tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 19, 2012 Share So without wanting to 'cast any aspersions' but surely if everyone is/was doped to the gills then how is it possible that anyone can now say I was clean (i.e. taking NOTHING) who was riding near the front of the 'pool-a-ton' or winning? Surely even the most talented rider would not be able to keep up with/beat these 'super' athletes .... or am I totally off the mark? My thoughts exactly! Is anyone clean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombeej Posted October 19, 2012 Share Press release Right, so now it's happening that the first of the pay masters pulling out of the sport (some of us asked whether this was a possibility very early in this thread). This is big news, esp considering they're one of the longest running. It increases the volume considerably. Who might be next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMartin Posted October 19, 2012 Share Having read Rabobanks statement I need someone to remind me how much posotive LA has done for the sport. I keep forgetting Edited October 19, 2012 by HappyMartin GrumpyOldGuy, eddy and petatodd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldGuy Posted October 19, 2012 Share i think it is called recession......... - Ha, Ha, yeah.........quote of the day eddy, quote of the day.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted October 19, 2012 Share I've said it before and I'l say it again. The USADA report and allegations has done it's job. It may never stand up to cross examination but the USADA has called the bluff through an effective "trial by media".it put a lot of pressure on people and organisation everywhere and taken the biggest scalps. The truth about doping is out. The scepticism in the UCI is now even greater. The sports come tumbling down. Cycling is dead, long live cycling. Rabobank is right, amateur cycling is where the risk is lower but the doping probably starts there so I'm not sure what they want to achieve except take themselves out of the media spotlight. I can see more big sponsors walking. With the Eurozone looking like the great depression, I can't see continental sponsors having much of an appetite to stick around. The Germans left, now the biggest bank in Holland....(the other strong economy on the continent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delgado Posted October 19, 2012 Share So without wanting to 'cast any aspersions' but surely if everyone is/was doped to the gills then how is it possible that anyone can now say I was clean (i.e. taking NOTHING) who was riding near the front of the 'pool-a-ton' or winning? Surely even the most talented rider would not be able to keep up with/beat these 'super' athletes .... or am I totally off the mark?My feelings exactly....how could a clean Lancehole beat a doped peleton?! petatodd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted October 19, 2012 Share Here is the best analysis of the situation i have read : http://pvcycling.wor...ing-confession/ " The coming confession Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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