Jaco-fiets Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 So peed off that the scott scale rc frame cannot take the 650b
flyluis Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 very very very sad face, 650b wheels dont fit on my frame.........
Pipsqueak Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 OH go squeak somewhere else... anti consumerist... lol Don't worry, I'm just as bad as the rest of them...
Monark Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 Yeah 650b doesnt fit on the Giant Anthem either. My LBS tried and it did not work.
Pipsqueak Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 I don't understand how you can take a bike designed to have 26 in wheels and just slap something substantially bigger on it. Look at how different the geometry requirements are between 26 and 29. Why should 650b be any different? So what I'm saying is why take a good 26er and put bigger wheels on it? This isn't like a stem or saddle upgrade... Or am I missing something?
Skott5 Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 I don't understand how you can take a bike designed to have 26 in wheels and just slap something substantially bigger on it. Look at how different the geometry requirements are between 26 and 29. Why should 650b be any different? So what I'm saying is why take a good 26er and put bigger wheels on it? This isn't like a stem or saddle upgrade... Or am I missing something? There will be compromises fitting 650 wheels onto a 26 inch frame! If the frame can accommodate the wheels - raised BB height for example, which will alter the bikes centre of gravity. This might even suite some riders. It's wether these trade off's counter any gains you may find, and for the most part those who have tried claim they do. Personally I would prefer to wait for a purpose built 650 bike, than do a mix and match on a 26 inch bike.
kosmonooit Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 So what I'm saying is why take a good 26er and put bigger wheels on it? This isn't like a stem or saddle upgrade... Because you gain the advantage of slightly bigger wheels covertly without having to succumb to 29'er mania.
Pipsqueak Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Again, why don't you want to succumb to 29'er mania? Why succumb to 650b mania before it's implemented properly? For the most part, if you want the benefit of bigger wheels, then buy the right 29'er and you'll be hard pressed to outride the bike. This nonsense that 29'ers are slow in single track and sloppy climbers is total bull, especially if you consider the new, snappier geometry that some of these bikes now sport. If you want a technical rig then buy a 26 dually, if you want a cross country rig then get a 29, why do you think you're going to get a marked improvement by bastardising a tested design solution? Do fat mags and whitewalls make your Ford Escort go faster?
Skott5 Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Again, why don't you want to succumb to 29'er mania? Why succumb to 650b mania before it's implemented properly? For the most part, if you want the benefit of bigger wheels, then buy the right 29'er and you'll be hard pressed to outride the bike. This nonsense that 29'ers are slow in single track and sloppy climbers is total bull, especially if you consider the new, snappier geometry that some of these bikes now sport. If you want a technical rig then buy a 26 dually, if you want a cross country rig then get a 29, why do you think you're going to get a marked improvement by bastardising a tested design solution? Do fat mags and whitewalls make your Ford Escort go faster? Easy Tiger, they not genetically modifying foods here. It's common consensus that a 29'er one weakness is tight twisty singletrack and their slow turning ability. This of course is mostly noticeable to those who are top of their game and ride their bikes to the very limit of what they are capable of. For the average Joe weekend warrior like myself, It wouldn't make that much difference to my overall riding experience. I'm referring specifically to the slow turning bit here. The other benefits would be noticeable, such as roll over ability etc. So in an effort to harness these advantages, without sacrificing handling, guys are experimenting with 650 wheels. I personally know of 3 guys riding 650 wheels on 26 inch frames and all three agree that they prefer the 650 wheels. They are limited with tyre choices however because the clearances are minimal, and that is an irritation factor for them. Although not ideal, the experiment has given them enough knowledge to look for a purpose built 650 bike with their next upgrade, whenever that may be. In the meantime they have a blast on their bastard machines. IMO 650 is for the guy looking for a one bike to do it all with. A jack of all trades bike, that doesn't specifically excel in any one department, but is capable of doing tail whips over the jumps on gravity at Giba this weekend, and riding Berg ans Bush this weekend.I think if you can afford more than one bike however, then having a 26 inch trail slayer, and a 29 mile eater is the way to go. That's where I'm heading ... Edited October 31, 2012 by Skott5
Pipsqueak Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Ya, I'm with you. There's this weird obsession with detail in this country. Just take the bike and ride the bloody thing. Its the best way to go faster.
Iwan Kemp Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 I don't understand how you can take a bike designed to have 26 in wheels and just slap something substantially bigger on it. Look at how different the geometry requirements are between 26 and 29. Why should 650b be any different? So what I'm saying is why take a good 26er and put bigger wheels on it? This isn't like a stem or saddle upgrade... Or am I missing something? Marketing jabber and manipulated quotes from overpaid engineers are obviously lost on you. If I were you I'd be careful...won't be long before the industry pulls together to have you "taken care off".
kosmonooit Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Do fat mags and whitewalls make your Ford Escort go faster? No but the fluorescent pink fur on the dashboard does.
awesme Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Don't forget the tissues in the rear window. G No but the fluorescent pink fur on the dashboard does.
shaper Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 So peed off that the scott scale rc frame cannot take the 650b Have you actually measures your scale to confirm you cannot? Discussion confirms that a scale 60 with 2.35 RR fit http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?searchid=13555026 Check your measurements, you need at least 430mm BB to axle and 400mm clear at the chainstay to fit a 2.1 tyre
megdobson Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 I am seriously contemplating getting a 650b mtb.Any hubbers riding one? Would appreciate your opinions. Paul Winter at Olympic Cycles fitted 650B on his Specialized. Phone and chat to him
Vetseun Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 My 650b is so close to completion. Fork will be delivered today still and she will be ready. I will post pikchas!
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