David George gets 2 years

[Wyatt Earp]

Me - I'm going to differ..

 

I might have swallowed some of the "he was being professional" sentiment IF he was still racing in europe or on a Pro team but he isn't - he's riding on a local team with occassional sorties into europe. The pressures of organised doping are far less here.

 

 

 

Now this man deserves a Bells.

Nice story Icycling but didn't bring a tear to my eye ,I agree with Eldron's sentiments.

2 years and boom he is back and all is forgotten, that unfortunately is the maximum years allowed.

 

Should he be back and take a salary as a pro, NEVER.

Will he be back, YES.

Can he ride a bike, YES.

 

Should we love him to bits, WHY ?

[davetapson]

Ridiculous - He should be banned for life!

Aye.

 

Otherwise it's just a cost of doing business. If I take EPO I can probably win for a number of years before I may be bust. Chances are I won't. If I get bust, it will be for two years (during which time I can probably dope even more as eyes will be off me) and can come back stronger.

 

So the equation is: Is a possible 2 year ban worth the risk of doping? You have the answer in front of you in the form of DG, LA, TH and the top 40% of the TdF peloton.

 

Make it a lifetime ban, and the equation changes.

Edited December 6, 2012 by davetapson

[dracs]

So what you are saying is that if you are fired from your job for misconduct that you should not be employable, by anyone, ever again ? He has been fired and has a two year restraint of trade. He is also unlikely to gain future employment in the same field again so effectively has a life time restrain of trade...how much worse can it be ?

What makes you say that... All indications from past SA dopers is quite the opposite.

[Stretch]

Me..I am strongly against the use of drugs in sports, and kids use these sentences as a form of risk assessment. I think he should be banned as a professional, so he can still participate and even win if he wants....just means he wont get any prize money.

[TNT1]

Me..I am strongly against the use of drugs in sports, and kids use these sentences as a form of risk assessment. I think he should be banned as a professional, so he can still participate and even win if he wants....just means he wont get any prize money.

 

Like OB.

[rudi-h]

So what you are saying is that if you are fired from your job for misconduct that you should not be employable, by anyone, ever again ? He has been fired and has a two year restraint of trade. He is also unlikely to gain future employment in the same field again so effectively has a life time restrain of trade...how much worse can it be ?

 

Normal "professional" jobs are the same. If CA's, Lawyers/Attorneys, Pr.Engineers etc. are found guilty of misconduct then you get stripped of you professional title by the applicable governing body that your profession subscribes to.

 

It does not mean that you can never ever be employed again, but your "professional career" is over. Nothing stops DG to do any other normal dayjob.

[Stretch]

Normal "professional" jobs are the same. If CA's, Lawyers/Attorneys, Pr.Engineers etc. are found guilty of misconduct then you get stripped of you professional title by the applicable governing body that your profession subscribes to.

 

It does not mean that you can never ever be employed again, but your "professional career" is over. Nothing stops DG to do any other normal dayjob.

 

Really?

 

http://www.thepost.c...ences-1.1434754

 

Edit: Granted being a minister is anything but a professional job...but....you get my point

Edited December 6, 2012 by Stretch

[Stretch]

Like OB.

 

the only OB i know.....

 

http://www.arriba.co.za/files/imagecache/product_full/Old%20Brown%20Sherry.jpg

[dracs]

the only OB i know.....

 

http://www.arriba.co.za/files/imagecache/product_full/Old%20Brown%20Sherry.jpg

suddenly I have a dull headache...

[scotty]

Me either.

 

I just obey every law as it comes. Makes life easier.

 

As in I must break the speed limit to accommodate you? I'd sooner bone tumbleweed's dog. I'll move to the left to allow you on your merry law breaking way, because I am not designated to enforce the law. But I will do what is right. As in, I will obey the laws of the land I am in, regardless of my personal emotion/attitude towards that law.

Are you quite sure about that ?

 

Careful now

[mazambaan]

@rudi-h; I think you have to be very, very bad as a lawyer, accountant etc to be stripped of your professional title. TWeed's dog or the proverbial goat comes to mind but even then you may escape with a slap on the whatsit. Normally it's a fine (R10k to R50k) and some sort of suspended sentence for two years say as a first offender. Maybe, but hopefully not, I can tell you more. PI may help pay for any damages caused.

 

As for DG; let him serve his sentence and I cannot see him making a living from cycling again. He no spring chicken. A bit different to plenty other dopers who are (happily?) back in the peloton. But stranger things have happened.

[Andrew Steer]

People want to forgive and forget, but the number of people burned by someone like David through his actions, runs into the hundreds;

Every race he won doped up, someone else should have won. Every race he was on the podium, someone else should have been. Some people ride their whole lives to just make that one podium!

 

Every cent he earned by living this lie should have gone to a clean athlete. It is not one small mistake he made, it's is a major mistake he made hundreds of times over the years.

 

I can understand he was quite possibly led astray early in his career, but if your conscience cannot sway you into doing the right thing at any stage in your career, then I have no sympathy whatsoever.

 

Dopers I'm afraid need to be taught a very harsh lesson, else we will never break from this ridiculous cycle.

Edited December 6, 2012 by ChunkyMunky

[SwissVan]

So what you are saying is that if you are fired from your job for misconduct that you should not be employable, by anyone, ever again ? He has been fired and has a two year restraint of trade. He is also unlikely to gain future employment in the same field again so effectively has a life time restrain of trade...how much worse can it be ?

 

The purpose of having a life time ban would be to DISCOURAGE people from doping.

You dont dope (cause you are scared shitless of a life time ban) you dont have to worry about any life time restraint...

 

Qé?

 

Quite forkin simple actualy...

[Skubarra]

The purpose of having a life time ban would be to DISCOURAGE people from doping.

You dont dope (cause you are scared shitless of a life time ban) you dont have to worry about any life time restraint...

 

Qé?

 

Quite forkin simple actualy...

 

I don't really see how increasing bans will help (well, maybe a little). For me the problem is how often the dopers dodge those bullets, DG must have tested clean 100s of times before he got caught, Lance even more (and was never really conclusively caught by a test that he couldn't argue away). If I was a cyclist considering doping I would probably be thinking if I do it cleverly enough, the odds are that I will get away with it for a long time. Until we find better ways of catching the dopers increasing bans will not really be a restraint..

[SwissVan]

I don't really see how increasing bans will help (well, maybe a little). For me the problem is how often the dopers dodge those bullets, DG must have tested clean 100s of times before he got caught, Lance even more (and was never really conclusively caught by a test that he couldn't argue away). If I was a cyclist considering doping I would probably be thinking if I do it cleverly enough, the odds are that I will get away with it for a long time. Until we find better ways of catching the dopers increasing bans will not really be a restraint..

 

Well yes but thats a big "UNTIL" we find better ways...

 

Serious penalties are a known deterrent

 

Historicaly dopers tend to be ahead of the anti doping crowd and looking at the amount of people (in cycling) who we know doped it's pretty obvious that they dont think much of a 2 year ban, yeah sure its an inconvienance but thats about it.

 

Introducing a life time ban is easy, much easier than improving doping control methods, whats there to loose?

[rock]

saw him out on his bike enjoying the sun (and wind) today.........