Armstrong's life-time ban could be reduced

[brian1]

_{Old joke but funny,}

 

_{guy says he is actually really impressed by what Lance achieved whilst on drugs.}

 

_{He reckons when he is on drugs he struggles to even find his bike.}

[BrianMTB]

 

Still a legend

[jaco369]

everyone was doping when he won. thus it was a level playing field back then. he was just better than them (at it)

my 5cents.

 

 

still a legend though.

[eddy]

everyone was doping when he won. thus it was a level playing field back then. he was just better than them (at it)

my 5cents.

 

 

still a legend though.

 

It is this kind of logic and ignorance that will lead to Jacob Zuma winning the next election.

 

The facts just don't seem to matter to some.......

[jaco369]

It is this kind of logic and ignorance that will lead to Jacob Zuma winning the next election.

 

The facts just don't seem to matter to some.......

i agree with you that what he did is wrong. and the way he handled it was stupid. but he is still a great athlete, and to see him compete in IM would be awesome.

 

and if you think current top athletes in any sport does not dope, you are ignorant. for the guys at the top, its about money, winning equals money.

 

for us at the bottom, its still just the shear enjoyment.

 

 

and PS. Zuma will win, but he wont run a full term, we will have a new president within the next 2years.

[Guest Latent Blue]

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[BrianMTB]

[the nerd]

Its all funny ripping into Lance but the biggest cheats of our sport all got to stand at 100th edition smiling and handing out awards....

[eddy]

i agree with you that what he did is wrong. and the way he handled it was stupid. but he is still a great athlete, and to see him compete in IM would be awesome.

 

and if you think current top athletes in any sport does not dope, you are ignorant. for the guys at the top, its about money, winning equals money.

 

 

Jaco, apologies if my response appeared agressive, it was not the intend and my response is to your point of view, not to you personally. My response was due to two points you raised; the level playing field and the legendry status of LA.

 

I am aware that many, probably most and maybe even all "current top athletes dope". I am not ignorant of that fact.

 

However, that does not make it more fair, it makes it less so. This was extensively covered at the time of LA's "persecution".

 

A good place to start your research is the work done by Ross Tucker and others and can be found at http://www.sportsscientists.com/cycling/doping-in-cycling/.

 

They totally debunk the "level playing field" myth. They show that if everybody is doping it does not become more as it creates a LESS level playing field. Without going into detail, this is based inter alia on differing physiological responses to doping, differing methods being available to certain people and the effect of individual risk thresholds on the aggressiveness of a regime and how close to the wind you would choose to sail. Of course if you were the king-pin and connected you did not have to worry about the latter as you had political protection and could go all out.

 

This way you could take a decent athlete and turn him into a dominant force. Certainly much better than his clean opponent and even better than his naturally more competent doping opponent.

 

Also, if you follow the true history, and know about Christophe Bassons and Philippo Simeoni you will understand why "everyone doped" and the role LA played in ensuring the shape of doping in the peleton.

 

With regard to LA being a "legend", there is NO evidence that without dope anyone outside of cycling geekhood would have known anything about him other than as a foot note in history.

 

Despite him being a decent tri-athlete and very good one day cyclist, he was was and would have remained nothing more than a competent, occasional mid-pack finisher in the grand tours. There was nothing in his palmares to suggest otherwise, and much to support the position.

 

All of this was covered in detail at the time the USADA published its reasoned descision in October of 2011. I hope it remained aftre theHub crashed.

 

[Garfield2010]

Its all funny ripping into Lance but the biggest cheats of our sport all got to stand at 100th edition smiling and handing out awards....

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. .

[johannrissik]

no problem in having his ban reduced from life to say, 35 years? no problem at all.......

 

You took the words right outta my mouth.

[Vetseun]

Once a cheat always a cheat

[jaco369]

Jaco, apologies if my response appeared agressive, it was not the intend and my response is to your point of view, not to you personally. My response was due to two points you raised; the level playing field and the legendry status of LA.

 

I am aware that many, probably most and maybe even all "current top athletes dope". I am not ignorant of that fact.

 

However, that does not make it more fair, it makes it less so. This was extensively covered at the time of LA's "persecution".

 

A good place to start your research is the work done by Ross Tucker and others and can be found at http://www.sportssci...ng-in-cycling/.

 

They totally debunk the "level playing field" myth. They show that if everybody is doping it does not become more as it creates a LESS level playing field. Without going into detail, this is based inter alia on differing physiological responses to doping, differing methods being available to certain people and the effect of individual risk thresholds on the aggressiveness of a regime and how close to the wind you would choose to sail. Of course if you were the king-pin and connected you did not have to worry about the latter as you had political protection and could go all out.

 

This way you could take a decent athlete and turn him into a dominant force. Certainly much better than his clean opponent and even better than his naturally more competent doping opponent.

 

Also, if you follow the true history, and know about Christophe Bassons and Philippo Simeoni you will understand why "everyone doped" and the role LA played in ensuring the shape of doping in the peleton.

 

With regard to LA being a "legend", there is NO evidence that without dope anyone outside of cycling geekhood would have known anything about him other than as a foot note in history.

 

Despite him being a decent tri-athlete and very good one day cyclist, he was was and would have remained nothing more than a competent, occasional mid-pack finisher in the grand tours. There was nothing in his palmares to suggest otherwise, and much to support the position.

 

All of this was covered in detail at the time the USADA published its reasoned descision in October of 2011. I hope it remained aftre theHub crashed.

 

well said and good reply.

 

so in other words he was maybe not the better cyclist, just the smarter one

 

 

i would like to see a tour still where its legal to dope. how entertaining would that not be? great tour racing with a dash of EFC (due to roid rage) and a episode of ER due to the massive chardiac events that would occur!

Edited January 23, 2014 by jaco369

[scotty]

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['Dale]

It'll be cool if Mr Armstrong could earn his freedom to compete by being ruthlessly honest and forthright in a moerse confession.

 

I believe in 2nd chances.

 

[IronAss]

everyone was doping when he won. thus it was a level playing field back then. he was just better than them (at it)

my 5cents.

 

 

still a legend though.