NeoOne Posted March 10, 2014 Share Anyone who rode the P&P Argus tour yesterday with an opinion on what worked and especially what DIDN'T! Please feel free to state your gripes and wins here and we'll forward it to Supreme Chancellor Zille to fix or at least consider for next year. As my first Argus I was luckily with old-hands who showed me the way to go, so preparation, timing, parking and loading into the chute was pretty smooth sailing. It did help that I arrived early. All I had to do was look out for the Standard Bank building, as per map and get to H-group (and freeze) and wait. There are a few things I would do differently; Start procedure-deploy much more staff to check the 5 "required to race" items (chip, numbers on h/bars; on brake cable;on shirt, a helmet, race card)have more access points for riders to get to their respective groupsadd more lighting at the start holding areassupply more toilets and refuse bins at start areapotentially add paid lock-up storage at start linedeploy marshals inside the chutes to stop late-comers from pushing past riders who arrived on time, to secure better start positionon windy and even non-windy days, add some sort of windbreak on exit of the start line (just past the buildings), to prevent cyclists getting blown off their bikes 30 seconds into the raceTiming of groups releases-Accept LESS entrants and charge a nominal amount more to recover that loss of income and THEN release the different groups further apart i.e. the current short intervals between groups are causing bottle-necks from Muizenberg through till halfway up Smitswinkel and the concertina effect on the Atlantic seaboard is potentially dangerous. Our group caught the G-group on the Blue Route and were caught by the head of F-group and even some flyers from J-group at Muizenberg because of the slow-and-go after Blue RouteRace timing(racetec)I had a noticeable discrepancy in my recorded time and official time of 3mins. I personally started my Polar RCX 5 -20 seconds after the starters gun and stopped it about 30 seconds after crossing the line, so maybe consider having a second timing supplier ( and NO it doesnt auto stop- also I didnt stop or get off once, so bugs in system??? No? General observationsThe commentator at the finish line offering drinks could have more than one joke-something to do with “switching the wind off next year” More beer tents!Complimentary massages closer to the finish lineMore signage directing people to the Cyclelab and other VIP areasNot to play that “Suikerbossie” song at foot of Suikerbossie climbDeploy a person with a warning flag on final turn before Beach Road stretch to the finish line. I nearly overcooked it there, going in too hot and that would have been a long run carrying my bike In spite of the wind, the race was a big success and an absolute pleasure to ride and more especially pleasurable to finish. I can’t wait for next year and will start training for sub 3 from tomorrow. Promise! If you really want to know i did it in 03:36:06 Edited March 10, 2014 by NeoOne Pusher 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted March 10, 2014 Share Too much reading - my lesson learnt. Pack another set of wheels. Pure Savage, Wez-O, NeoOne and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny Bravo Posted March 10, 2014 Share That I am much more talented on a mtb than a road bike. Next year I will do it on my 29er with knobblies. Lexx, Mads, Smurfy and 4 others 7 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted March 10, 2014 Share Start: Only gripe I had was that my start card was not punched at the initial check which I only found out needed to be done when I tried to enter my start chute. The portable urinals were a great idea for the start !!! Timing: My Cateye time was within a 10th of a second compared to the Racetec timing...perhaps the problem lies with the OP's equipment Last years timing was also almost spot on Group release: Since I start lower down the order, I cannot comment about the start times of the earlier groups. What I did notice is that bunches from my group [R] pretty much stayed together all the way until just past Simonstown when the wind effected separations between bunches. I do however think that 1 minute time gaps for start groups isnt the most ideal especially for the more hard core riders. Having now completed my 19th Argus, I can certainly say that the event and its organisers get a 99.99 out of 100 for their efforts and I will certainly be back next year. Well done to the Cycle Tour team, the PPA, city of Cape Town, the sponsors, the marshals, the supporters and everone else involved in this event :clap: :clap: the seeding of riders still however comes into question when some riders land up in the upper to mid level alphabet soup seedings with clearly no visible means of getting such good seedings...especialy when looking at their previous 12 months results for other rides on Racetec Edited March 10, 2014 by Btus Smurfy, NeoOne, Nimby and 6 others 9 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoorts Posted March 10, 2014 Share Don't buy stuff from the expo to eat or drink for the race if you never tried it before. Caerus, NeoOne and Smurfy 3 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted March 10, 2014 Share CONTINUEThe zones for rubbish to go into1 min between bunches A-FTuk-tuk service from Grand Parade Edited March 10, 2014 by ' Dale NeoOne and mikkelz 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoorts Posted March 10, 2014 Share the seeding of riders still however comes into question when some riders land up in the upper to mid level alphabet soup seedings with clearly no visible means of getting such good seedings when looking at their other results on Racetec Like this guy? http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=536047&HL=1 He does not do timed races but seems to get great Argus seeding. HTF does that work? Gerlach, mikkelz, W@nna-BE and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant_I_R_Legend Posted March 10, 2014 Share Hello, does anyone know the actual elevation gain for the Argus? Strava is giving some seriously conflicting results ranging from 1,278m - 2,566m Cheers! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starvin' Marvin Posted March 10, 2014 Share Aunty Helen doesn't control the Argus surprisingly enough, Dave Bellairs would be the man to talk to surely? NeoOne 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny Bravo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Like this guy? http://results.racet...PID=536047&HL=1 He does not do timed races but seems to get great Argus seeding. HTF does that work?Thats not right. Being so slow is the cause of many accidents. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsworld.co.za Posted March 10, 2014 Share A couple of guys in the club found this out the hard way: DO NOT sit behind MTB's in a road race. They did, and when the 29ers went over what to them was obviously a small blip in the road, 3 of the guys behind them all punctured one after the other on their road bikes. Ceres, Hilton., Dusty and 7 others 10 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoorts Posted March 10, 2014 Share Thats not right. Being so slow is the cause of many accidents. quite possibly he caused accidents even 30 minutes behind him because of the butterfly effect Edited March 10, 2014 by jkoorts Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaviM Posted March 10, 2014 Share Great race!I would like to see more "chuck zones" like at Smits nothing worse than a pocket full of opened gu's when you know there is one more deep down in there! 8_Mad and Journosergio 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoorts Posted March 10, 2014 Share These 3 (the last 3 finishers of C) colluded together via some backdoor process. Maybe they're PPA officials. http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=536046&HL=1http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=536047&HL=1http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=561585&HL=1 Who's gonna make k@k about this? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
braailegend Posted March 10, 2014 Share To much reading... I like pictures diagrams and graphs Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoke101 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Like this guy? http://results.racet...PID=536047&HL=1 He does not do timed races but seems to get great Argus seeding. HTF does that work?How do you finish 245th out of 241 riders in your batch? Lone_Ranger 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/137105-argus-2014-lessons-learned/#findComment-2235733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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