nazmo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Are you sure the index from the 99er is not as good as the index of the Burger or the other races? Remember, it's the index they use, not the race time. So they'll choose the best index race you have to give you seeding. Nope, my burger had an index over 30, 99er under 30, yet they used burger at 66% and 99er at 33%... no logic Also, burger had a lower beta, 99er was tougher. so that isnt used as a consideration either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbee Posted February 16, 2015 Share I really don't get the seeding system. They used my Knysna MTB 80km time from 2012 (which was slow) and I got penalised 26 points for it being old, but they didn't use my Argus time from 2013 which I did better in. 6B it is for me starting at 8:48 behind the non-seeded International Riders who will all be different levels :-( At least this year I am ahead of all the charity groups, you get a real mixed bunch in there. I am not sure I agree with seeding people according to the number of Argus's they have completed or their age. can I hold onto your shirt pocket as you come past ... pretty please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubehunter Posted February 16, 2015 Share Nope, my burger had an index over 30, 99er under 30, yet they used burger at 66% and 99er at 33%... no logic Also, burger had a lower beta, 99er was tougher. so that isnt used as a consideration either. The beta is what is used to judge the race difficulty against the Argus (CTCT). If it's lower it's easier, if it's higher it is considered more difficult. Bear in mind the quality of the race field is taken in consideration to account for the winners time and this factors heavily in the value of the beta too. The lower index is the 'better' result and comes from checking your result against the overall winner's result whilst applying the beta in the formula as well. Yes, there is no logic in why your stronger ride is only 33%.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypot Posted February 16, 2015 Share Are you sure the index from the 99er is not as good as the index of the Burger or the other races? Remember, it's the index they use, not the race time. So they'll choose the best index race you have to give you seeding. But if they use the index and then slap on a fat penalty, surely that's going to hurt my seeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankie99 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Yeah man this really baffles me and it def seems like the 99er was used as a normal race and not an official seeding race. Check the screenshot I have attached of my buddies seeding. They should clearly only have used his 99er seeding @ 100% for Argus seeding. He got 2 punctures in the Burger so that really killed his time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubehunter Posted February 16, 2015 Share But if they use the index and then slap on a fat penalty, surely that's going to hurt my seeding? Yes, it wont be the original seeding, but it could still be better than the index of your other available races, in which case it would be used. E.g. I have not done a fast race in over 2 years, as I am getting my SO into riding at these events. My seeding for this year's race is from the Argus in 2013 as even with all the penalties the index is still better than those of the rides I have done since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADe Posted February 16, 2015 Share 3b for me. But I wont be going. I sprained my ankle last week, so no Cycle Tour, Two Oceans and maybe no Comrades. It is going to be tough standing on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubehunter Posted February 16, 2015 Share 3b for me. But I wont be going. I sprained my ankle last week, so no Cycle Tour, Two Oceans and maybe no Comrades. It is going to be tough standing on the sidelines. Eish sorry to hear! Don't forget to post up your entry for substitution this week! Substitution closes in 4 days time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoorts Posted February 16, 2015 Share Got 1H The only real race i did this whole season was the One Tonner. Did it in 6:30 hours - did not train. For once the illogical seeding process benefited me. Got C last year - again One Tonner in 5h20. Conclusion? Just do the one tonner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkdonk Posted February 16, 2015 Share Yes, must admit am also slightly baffled by the formula they use..They took a result from a 80km road race in October where I was 20mins behind the winner and that got me a 1H start.. I am going to hold on for dear life..If the guys, as per earlier in this thread are looking at 3h00 finishing time from group 2, then what will the times in group 1 look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonian1984 Posted February 16, 2015 Share The beta is what is used to judge the race difficulty against the Argus (CTCT). If it's lower it's easier, if it's higher it is considered more difficult. Bear in mind the quality of the race field is taken in consideration to account for the winners time and this factors heavily in the value of the beta too. For the 2015 99er the beta was 1.07, the winner is a UCI world tour pro and the elite field was had some top local riders. So if the 99er is 108km and the beta is 1.07 which is harder than the CTCT(2014 beta 1 and winners time 2:39), how do they adjust the winners time by almost 4 minutes to 2:30:52. Shouldnt the adjusted winners time of the 2015 99er not be closer to the 2:39:31 of the 2014 CTCT winners time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubehunter Posted February 16, 2015 Share For the 2015 99er the beta was 1.07, the winner is a UCI world tour pro and the elite field was had some top local riders. So if the 99er is 108km and the beta is 1.07 which is harder than the CTCT(2014 beta 1 and winners time 2:39), how do they adjust the winners time by almost 4 minutes to 2:30:52. Shouldnt the adjusted winners time of the 2015 99er not be closer to the 2:39:31 of the 2014 CTCT winners time? Bear in mind that the volume of pros at the 99er is not the same as the volume of pros at the Argus. This factors into the average race speed that racetec predicts and as such adjust the winner's time. The course of the 99er may have been more diifcult than the Argus, but had an Argus type race field lined up, what would the likely winner's time for the 99er have been?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Wheel Base Posted February 16, 2015 Share Yes it does happen and for people who are over 70 years of age and\or have completed more than 10 Argus rides. Why should they not receive seeding above the open groups if they're regular riders of the event who for some reason don't have seeding for this years installment or are old enough to warrant an earlier start to stay out of the heat of the day for ALL of their ride? It's not like they are seeded at the front. They're seeded ahead of the rest of the non seeded riders.I have done the argus 24 times and don't feel that entitles me to preference if I take some time off. Why put me in a group that's much faster than what i'm capable of? Fair enough you probably talking about the groups that start further back so the "racing" factor is a lot less but I start fairly early in the race and if I was someone who hadn't done as many tours and got bumped down i'd be a bit upset and vica versa, I race hard and often to make sure I make racing tandems, Wouldn't want to get in just because i'v done it 24 times and my tandem partner 26 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukka Posted February 16, 2015 Share 3D - 07:12 Mountain bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukie Posted February 16, 2015 Share I cant seem to find the link on the CCT website where you check your index and races used to calculate the index? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonian1984 Posted February 16, 2015 Share I cant seem to find the link on the CCT website where you check your index and races used to calculate the index?http://seeding.cycletour.co.za/findme.aspx?ss=2&eid=2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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