Gun carry on bicycle

[Showtime]

I worked on the northern border of Mexico in a town called Reynosa for a while and anybody who thinks you can stop violence by bringing (bigger) weapons to the game should go there.

 

The army patrols the streets in armoured vehicles with machine guns constantly scanning. It doesn't stop the drug cartels, they just carry rocket launchers.

 

You cannot stop violence with violence and you will not stop bike theft by carrying a gun, you will just be the reason another cyclist gets gunned down as the game becomes more violent.

[Seeker911]

in the new SA only criminals are allowed to carry guns. Sorry guys.

 

Totally agree. If we all started packing then the criminals would not be free to carry out their trade and then what would they do ? get a 9 to 5 job like mine ? really !

[DuncanCT]

This is a ridiculous idea (I already know it) but what about booby trapping your bike? I'm not sure about the stats on mugging. Are they mostly ridden away or stuffed into a vehicle and driven off. Either way a big canister of teargas strapped to the frame with a timer delay. If you could activate as you handed over the bike, then 5 minute later it could activate making it really difficult to travel with?

Edited September 6, 2014 by DuncanCT

[Runbikeswim]

Guns suck... Don't give me that self defense crap. Most people die at the hand of their own gun or spouses gun. Met lots if gun owners in my life and they either agro or have some chip..

[zaslinger]

These criminals are cowards, which is exactly why they target cyclists - We are an easy target, exactly because it is difficult to be effectively armed while riding, esp. in cycling kit.

 

If they experience a fight back, they will bail and if they escape unscathed, they will target other areas and/or other soft targets, joggers, dog walkers, etc. - unfortunately it's unlikely they will rush off to church & repent!

 

Cyclists are just a part of their "normal" food chain, and now empowered with a gun or knife, these vermin will pray on any perceived weak/soft target.

 

Being armed and prepared to fight, if left no alternative, is just Panado for a bigger problem. Crime is a symptom of the greater lack of human decency & respect that is all pervasive in our society at all levels, just look how we behave on the roads. But removing Panado from the world won't solve the sickness.

 

To me, education & improved socioeconomic conditions will help to a degree, but this won't address the issue. Look how No 1 & his cohorts behave - they have just elevated themselves to more elaborate forms of theft & thuggery, they haven't elevated themselves to being honorable men!

 

The do-gooders & bunny huggers can wring their hands and lament but until a morel evolution happens (unlikely). I suggest carry Panado to deal with the symptoms. (Read the insert, follow the instructions & use with caution)

 

Of equal concern, are those that are not directly involved but stand by "blind" to the problem. Apparently good people, but they do nothing to stop these vermin, while being fully aware of who they are and what they do. They are exactly the breeding ground that allows these vermin the freedom to move with impunity. It is these breeding grounds of filth that should be targeted for proactive actions to prevent crime.

[zaslinger]

Guns suck... Don't give me that self defense crap. Most people die at the hand of their own gun or spouses gun. Met lots if gun owners in my life and they either agro or have some chip..

 

You are well entitled to your opinion but your facts are wrong.

Very few people die "at the hand of their own gun"

Doctors, swimming pools and prescription drugs are far more lethal. Stupidity & ego perhaps being the most lethal.

 

You may be right to a degree about the ego & chip, but I bet you have met even more good folks that you didn't know were gun owners.

Edited September 6, 2014 by zaslinger

[gummibear]

Get a ASP Baton and learn how to use it.......

 

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/BrettGrieve/DSC00090.jpg

 

[dienatkoerantman]

One might be tempted to use in on motorists, that would be my biggest problem.

 

And there has been times I wish I was packing this bad boy:

 

http://mygunculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/A10_30mm_gatling_gun.jpg

 

 

Tad tight to pack in your kit though

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/GAU-8_meets_VW_Type_1.jpg/1280px-GAU-8_meets_VW_Type_1.jpg

A-10 warthogg gun now that is some fire power

[BenReaper]

I personaly wouldnt pack heat on the bike.my wife and I ride together alot and I get very frustrated with her,it might end badly.

[Tumbleweed]

These criminals are cowards, which is exactly why they target cyclists - We are an easy target, exactly because it is difficult to be effectively armed while riding, esp. in cycling kit.

 

If they experience a fight back, they will bail and if they escape unscathed, they will target other areas and/or other soft targets, joggers, dog walkers, etc. - unfortunately it's unlikely they will rush off to church & repent!

 

Cyclists are just a part of their "normal" food chain, and now empowered with a gun or knife, these vermin will pray on any perceived weak/soft target.

 

Being armed and prepared to fight, if left no alternative, is just Panado for a bigger problem. Crime is a symptom of the greater lack of human decency & respect that is all pervasive in our society at all levels, just look how we behave on the roads. But removing Panado from the world won't solve the sickness.

 

To me, education & improved socioeconomic conditions will help to a degree, but this won't address the issue. Look how No 1 & his cohorts behave - they have just elevated themselves to more elaborate forms of theft & thuggery, they haven't elevated themselves to being honorable men!

 

The do-gooders & bunny huggers can wring their hands and lament but until a morel evolution happens (unlikely). I suggest carry Panado to deal with the symptoms. (Read the insert, follow the instructions & use with caution)

 

Of equal concern, are those that are not directly involved but stand by "blind" to the problem. Apparently good people, but they do nothing to stop these vermin, while being fully aware of who they are and what they do. They are exactly the breeding ground that allows these vermin the freedom to move with impunity. It is these breeding grounds of filth that should be targeted for proactive actions to prevent crime.

 

I am interested in your perspective on this topic. I was bikejacked almost 11 years ago. Very little time to react. Not a gun owner - not for any particular reason, no moral objection, etc. But the five guys who jumped me and beat me searched me very thorougly for a weapon.

[FrankoP]

If someone wanted a gun it is easy to come by..and having a weapon taken off you is a real/concern but not weighing on the balance of probabilies of my view of right and wrong, concern given my moral compass and right under our law. Thugs usually target cyclists in their own geographic area - word will spread when an attempted theft by any weapon resulted in a shooting. If that is from me defending myself I would reflect and conclude that apart from self defence i would be doing a community a service..logically if crime continues with impunity and no consequence..anarchy will result..just look on our roads. I'd love to see a safe place to ride..but reallity is that where I ride..there be thugs. I will not cower and lay down and by the same time I will not be the aggressor.

[soundfa]

I carry a snub nose 38 special in the small of my back.You cannot see it,it is so small. I bothered going the long route of keeping my licence so I am legal. I have in my mind of when attacked to roll way and come up armed. If they are armed with guns, i will not engage as i am not a cowboy. If they have pangas,poles or knives...then it is going to be good night nurse! I can not afford to lose the gun as this will used on other cyclists and myself.So only when you have the gap to pull the weapon do you make it known you have one..and when u do...use it..otherwise I would not play robocop.

I would ride with you any day!

[zaslinger]

I am interested in your perspective on this topic. I was bikejacked almost 11 years ago. Very little time to react. Not a gun owner - not for any particular reason, no moral objection, etc. But the five guys who jumped me and beat me searched me very thorougly for a weapon.

 

The reality is that a gun is just a tool, like a knife, stick or any other tool. A tool in the hands of a fool remains just a tool. I can strip bolts just as well as anybody with a torque wrench, but in the right hands, its an invaluable asset.

 

Fighting in its many forms is a martial art. So is fighting with a gun. A skilled shooter can take on 5 armed men and win, from concealed carry. BUT, you must know, you stand a real chance of getting shot and you must also know, that getting shot is not the end of the fight.

 

Truth is most people miss at close range under extreme duress. A skilled shooter won't.

Also, "they" expect abject fear & submission; the psychological advantage is gained when you attach back.

Often, merely going for the gun or a single shot is enough to break the contact & send them running - no need to mow everyone down!

 

In most cases, the attackers will flee without pressing home their attack. Very, very few will stick around.

The martial art of the gun is like any other and requires the right training, mindset and practice.

If you are not prepared or skilled, you may not be able to use a gun effectively.

But no one has the right to deny you the option of the best last option - A gun.

 

have a look - He's no speed demon, but he was very effective - See how they bail.

You only need a second or two to win back the advantage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBYSau64LOc

Edited September 6, 2014 by zaslinger

[olffie1]

Better then a gopro

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/all-mountain/408031d1226539589-all-mountain-handlebar-bell-gun-bar-mount-1.jpg

Love this......Rambo is live and well and living in South Africa

[amasendeinja]

 

 

I was in a robbery in 2009 and I defended myself and shot 3 out of the 4 robbers....but have to live with those demons for the rest of my life.My son saw it happen through the lounge window.He is almost 9 now and still

wakes up screaming at night from the nightmares and still does want me to go out on my own.

 

It's easy to carry a gun and say what you will do but you have to live with those actions.There are very few people that will stand by you after you pull that trigger.

 

Most sensible post on the Hub....ever.

 

Rant on:

 

To all the proponents of carrying a gun whilst riding, it's all good and well talking up a good fight and acting all f'ing GV with your gun strapped to your thigh. But when (if) you shoot and kill someone, who may actually not have threatened your life, you will have taken someones life. If you think that's going to sit comfortably with you then you are a physco and need help. As so clearly pointed out by gummi above. And you carrying a gun and pulling it on a potential jacker is only going ensure that said jacker will be more suitably armed for his next attempt, which may be when he tries to jack me!

 

So just to be crystal clear, I think carrying a firearm on a bike the stupidest idea ever.

 

And just to clarify, I own 4 firearms, so I am not some bunnyhugging, spinach smoothie drinking, anti-gun lobbyist who gets his mangina in a twist every time someone says the word gun.

 

Rant off

[dirtrider]

No **** !!