Performance enhancing substances among amateurs

[Quagga]

But if you take banned meds for illness or injury then you are doping to gain an advantage because without you would not be able to participate or participate at the level you would like to..

 

 

 

 

 

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Why dont they have a "Racing cat" where they test and the "Funride" cat where other can merely participate and not have to worry about being tested? For excample, imagine you have paid 10K to do a 2 or 3 day ride....training hard.....fall 8 days before the ride ? Do you stil do it for the fun and complete it, drinking beer every night with your buddies OR do you pull out cause you have take a painkiller and now you are "Dopped up"?

[pe3nguin]

The biggest challenge is to get the doctor to UNDERSTAND that even as an old toppie, you are still an active athlete.  DOCTORS don't always check what they prescribe against the WADA list.  Also some amateur athletes (and pro's) have been caught self medicating on Ouma's family flu doepa, that contains lists of banned stuff (none of which are listed anywhere).  

 

However, do the crime, pay the time.  When you buy the licence or sign up for a national championships, READ THE BL00DY LABEL before swigging the medication.

Surely its not the doctors responsibility though? The doctor is there to prescribe something to cure what ails you. You, as the active participant, have the responsibility to check. And if a doctor prescibes something that you really need AND it is a banned substance? Take your lumps, enjoy your time away from racing and come back when you aren't going to be popped. 

 

Have the common decency to respect the people you race with and against.

[HdB]

How much money is in Vets racing? Is it even enough to make doping at this level worth it?

 

I'm referring to actual racing vets here, domestic license. CSA testing whatever age non-full licensed riders is surely just a huge waste of money (not that they seem to have an issue with wasting money, but different issue).

[pe3nguin]

 Do you stil do it for the fun and complete it, drinking beer every night with your buddies OR do you pull out cause you have take a painkiller and now you are "Dopped up"?

How does Drug Free Sport South Africa make this any easier. You can literally get a retroactive TUE for this. Anyone besides elites can get a retroactive TUE. Basically, don't cheat. 

[Quagga]

Errr. Okay, I guess our definition of race is different. You are racing, if you have a...wait for it...domestic racing license. Not to be confused with CSA membership.

 

So no, I would not imagine the fella riding for cancer awareness would need to be tested.

Well did you know that NON racing license holders have been tested? Hence the confusion.

And that is a fact.

 

If it was as you say above then all would good.... You buy the license get tested, and do the time for your crime. 

 

Unfortunately there has been more than one occasion where a non licensed back marker has been tested. Some were negative and some where possitve results

[Gen]

Why dont they have a "Racing cat" where they test and the "Funride" cat where other can merely participate and not have to worry about being tested? For excample, imagine you have paid 10K to do a 2 or 3 day ride....training hard.....fall 8 days before the ride ? Do you stil do it for the fun and complete it, drinking beer every night with your buddies OR do you pull out cause you have take a painkiller and now you are "Dopped up"?

Not all painkillers are banned.. .the app has all the info.

 

If my teenage son can be educated enough to know what he can and can't take..then I am sure an adult can.

 

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[Quagga]

How does Drug Free Sport South Africa make this any easier. You can literally get a retroactive TUE for this. Anyone besides elites can get a retroactive TUE. Basically, don't cheat. 

I think we are not on the same page. How it is cheating if you are not a licensed "racer" not going to be on the poduim ever?

Hence my question, why test THOSE people? I am not talking about the vets or anyone with a racing license. I am talking about the average Joe being tested. 

 

In my mind they shoyuld focus the "little money and resources" they have a CSA on the racing license holders. If you race, do it fair.

[pe3nguin]

I think we are not on the same page. How it is cheating if you are not a licensed "racer" not going to be on the poduim ever?

Hence my question, why test THOSE people? I am not talking about the vets or anyone with a racing license. I am talking about the average Joe being tested. 

 

In my mind they shoyuld focus the "little money and resources" they have a CSA on the racing license holders. If you race, do it fair.

I don't manage drug policing, so I can't tell why they are tested, but like i mentioned, there is a retroactive TUE, which is you obtain one, you can't be considered to have an adverse analytical finding so where is the cheat stigma?

 

Perhaps the conversation got derailed, because surely this is about people looking to enhance their performance whilst racing? I have no opinion on testing back markers. Adds no value to the sport.

[Honkdonk]

So.. Anyone seen the documentary Icarus yet?

[pe3nguin]

So.. Anyone seen the documentary Icarus yet?

Yes, sadly. I was interested in his personal story about getting ripped and shredded whilst on the juice...you know...for science. 

 

And then it turned out the way hit did. Very interesting watch, but the first 20-30min was what I would have preferred the whole thing to focus on.

[_David_]

So.. Anyone seen the documentary Icarus yet?

 

 

Watched it a few days ago and sadly now have no faith in any endurance sport being clean and fair.

[Underachiever]

How much money is in Vets racing? Is it even enough to make doping at this level worth it?

 

I'm referring to actual racing vets here, domestic license. CSA testing whatever age non-full licensed riders is surely just a huge waste of money (not that they seem to have an issue with wasting money, but different issue).

Can't be much.  Probably what most guys make in an hour or less when in their jobs.

 

But you will certainly look like a d...s on your P10 and when getting dropped on the 1st hill. Your ego will never survive!!

[Underachiever]

Not all painkillers are banned.. .the app has all the info.

 

If my teenage son can be educated enough to know what he can and can't take..then I am sure an adult can.

 

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Exactly.  I had a nasty fall a week ago and I'm taking good quality anti-inflammatories.  All checked out on the SAIDS/WADA site.

 

Next week I'll be riding (racing???) Race for Victory,  but probably in the Alphabet Soup.

[Spinnekop]

How much money is in Vets racing? Is it even enough to make doping at this level worth it?

 

I'm referring to actual racing vets here, domestic license. CSA testing whatever age non-full licensed riders is surely just a huge waste of money (not that they seem to have an issue with wasting money, but different issue).

Hahahahhahaha.

 

Money......racing Vets.....

Hahhahaha

 

Seriously.

 

On avg, R500 up for a win in most "classics"

Some up to say R1k.

 

I last got podium in Berge and Dale and got something like R300.

 

So money is not a motivator.

[Spinnekop]

Take away money and podiums and the guys will still cheat.

 

Difference will be that there will be more $$ for proper testing the pro athletes. 

[Spinnekop]

 

CSA testing whatever age non-full licensed riders is surely just a huge waste of money (not that they seem to have an issue with wasting money, but different issue).

CSA does not test.

DrugfreeSA test.

 

They get private funds / sponsors.

 

The more positives they generate, the more their "value" increases.  The more funding they get.

They have a HUGE PR team and I assume salaries etc.  So they need the funds and for that they need positives. 

And the more public it goes, the better. 

 

But that is my cynical view on things and why back markers get tested

(As mentioned before, most of these "back marker tests" are because one of their chommies split on them and fingered them out)