Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 But only if you have the one piece short top combo, sokkies and skoene from spez too hey/I thought it only came as a package deal ...... you mean people actually went out and bought that stuff willingly?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 kind of in a scientific lab test but if the riders are the "same", and so too the kit fitted to the bike, but one has a shocking geo vs the other which instills confidence, the surely the better designed bike will be faster over a real world MTB route. but I get what you are saying ...... a new flashy bikes does not instantly make a champion rider.......unless it is a S-Verks .... we all know that that bike makes you instantly flipping cool and fast.yeah, with all things remaining equal, the stronger rider will win.
GoLefty!! Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 True to a degree, but if you're riding a *** bike then you're going to be slow. A *** bike would be one with *** geometry, bad suspension and so on. Plus if you're on a DH bike and someone else is on an XC bike and you're riding around Koeberg, it's a very bad comparison. True to what degree Myles....... Absolute degree maybe then I'd agree. Show me a bike with really really bad geometry? Compare apples with apples i.e. XC bikes with XC bikes, AM bikes with AM bikes, DH bikes with DH bikes. Stop trying to obscure with technical sounding jargon that has no relevance to the discussion. These are not F1 cars. They're bicycles. The strongest rider will win. Absalon will whip your arse on a Makro hartail on a DH course even if you rode a full DH rig simply because he is the more skilled and more powerful rider. Geometry and suspension have zip to do with what is faster. Power and skill. Power and skill. Power and Skill. If suspension was so important then Sauser wouldn't run the Brain at max threshold and Hardtails wouldn't be a popular choice among marathon riders. All this techno mumbo jumbo just gives people who don't ride enough something to keyboard jockey over
Wannabe Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 what was the old bike and what is the variation in spec /weight, etc? It was a Giant XTC Alu HT. 100mm fork travel, 100mm stem, 640mm flat bars. 11kg weight New bike, also Alu HT. 100mm fork travel, 100mm stem, 710mm flat bars. Weighs 11.5kg. Groupset transfered from old bike, only change is the dropper post I fitted.
GoLefty!! Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Then its definately the wider bars man, you more open chest and all that watt watt you know
Surv0MTB Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Ag its all bloody relative.. as a 6ft 5 rider, 26r is impossible to use. Feels like training wheels under me. this prevents me from actually have any confidence on the bike resulting in slower times. 29r solves all of this for me, except for the fact that turning sharply is more tricky compared to a 26r but this is par for the course. This is reality, not a choice Ive made and no amount of training on a 26r is going to help, unless the route is completely flat.
Hairy Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 It was a Giant XTC Alu HT. 100mm fork travel, 100mm stem, 640mm flat bars. 11kg weight New bike, also Alu HT. 100mm fork travel, 100mm stem, 710mm flat bars. Weighs 11.5kg. Groupset transfered from old bike, only change is the dropper post I fitted.Cool .... does the new frame rock any red graphics at all .... if so then that would be the clear answer?
GoLefty!! Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Cool .... does the new frame rock any red graphics at all .... if so then that would be the clear answer? Fluoro is the new red bru
NickGM Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 stop skewing the debate by adding noise. No one ever advocated adding 120mm stems anywhere. The faster bike is the one with the highest power to weight ratio. Most powerful engine for lowest all up weight.Geometry is there to couple two wheels together via some tubes.The rider who is best able to get the power out of their legs into the tyres is the faster one, irrespective of bike. I'm pretty sure the whole point of these discussions is to know what bike gives the most advantage for a given/fixed rider. ie: power and weight of the rider are fixed, they are not variables. A lighter, strong rider would beat me every day, but that's not the point. We are comparing bikes, not rider. So is "Me" on a 29er faster than "Me" on a 26er? Is Me on geometry x faster than Me on geometry Y? That's what I would want to know. Bringing power:weight into the mix is like saying that all 26ers are faster because a 26er ridden by nino shurter is faster than a 29er ridden by me. He would beat me on a unicycle. It negates the whole discussion IMO.
marko35s Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Buy a bike any bike, ride it, have fun, go home.Job done.
Dexter-morgan Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 After riding at N F over the week-end with Friends, I still love my 26" slower of not.(BTW I was not the slowest on the day)
GlockG4 Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I'm pretty sure the whole point of these discussions is to know what bike gives the most advantage for a given/fixed rider. ie: power and weight of the rider are fixed, they are not variables. A lighter, strong rider would beat me every day, but that's not the point. We are comparing bikes, not rider. So is "Me" on a 29er faster than "Me" on a 26er? Is Me on geometry x faster than Me on geometry Y? That's what I would want to know. Bringing power:weight into the mix is like saying that all 26ers are faster because a 26er ridden by nino shurter is faster than a 29er ridden by me. He would beat me on a unicycle. It negates the whole discussion IMO.This is also something I wonder about. There is alot of talk about this and that bike is faster, ie a faster geometry/frame. What is ment by that?
Eddy Gordo Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Indeed Marko, at the end of the day its all about the enjoyment, and no matter what bike you still gonna have fun. A friend of mine used to ride for years at tokai with a rigid mtb, while we were all on single or dual sussers and he was having the time of his life. Reminded me of bmx days
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