Lance Cruz Posted June 8, 2015 Share A lot of sensible from Iwan. My Europeans colleagues and friends always comment how bizarre it is to observe the sheer number of S-Works bikes here. Unless you are an ex-pro or significant local hero, European cycling etiquette precludes most from ever riding anything S-Works. As Iwan mentioned: The Epics have very committed angles, a geometry package for the truly gifted over challenging/fatiguing terrain. I've ridden an Epic with a dropper and barely coped. In mitigation I am a very average rider, but perhaps that is the point: aren't there many other average riders on Epic who should be on Cambers, or.... A Stage? Any notion of doubt about the Pyga Stage's provenance is ridiculous. Patrick is very highly regarded internationally for his geometry and suspension intuition. It is a shame many South African riders (mostly stage racing brand fan-people) have no idea the esteem that Morewoods were - and remain to be - held in overseas. They are very boutique bikes. Some of the downhill frames are regarded as the best mountain bikes ever built. Unsurprising, then, that Pyga trail bikes have been returning near perfect reviews from demanding European testers since their launch. The supply chain logic concerning price has been addressed by others. Feature for feature, I can’t see how the Pyga should retail for less than any comparable American branded frame if it is of the same sourcing (the region of quality noodles), with quality components and truth be told: cleverer, more liveable, geometry. Nico with the unpronounceable surname appears quite happy on his stage racing Edited June 8, 2015 by Lance Cruz awesme, TYGA, Tatt and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCG1 Posted June 8, 2015 Share What is the "+5" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Cruz Posted June 8, 2015 Share "What is the "+5" ?" - Chain-line offset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesme Posted June 8, 2015 Share LanceH have a read of the article, it's clearly explained in there. G "What is the "+5" ?" - Chain-line offset. Edited June 8, 2015 by awesme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted June 8, 2015 Share "What is the "+5" ?" - Chain-line offset. From the article: "Along with their progressive geometry, the Stage and Stage MAX will be the first bikes to debut Plus 5; a correction to chain line issues that have been overlooked by bike designers since the onset of 10 and 11 speed drive trains. This is achieved by shifting the complete rear drive (wheel axle and cassette – NOT the chain ring position) 5mm towards the drive side, which alters the effective chain line from 49mm to 44mm, while maintaining the same chain ring position relative to the centre-line of the frame. Simply put, the chain line on the 11th gear (easiest gear, largest cog) on a Plus 5 frame is equivalent to the chain line on the 9th gear of a regular frame. "In essence, Plus 5 offers better shifting performance and reduced wear on the drive train. Interestingly, this is achieved without the need for proprietary parts - all that is required is an adjustment of the wheel dish. This has the added bonus of a stiffer, stronger wheel; as the wheel dish adjusted for Plus 5 has a more even spoke tension between drive side and non drive side spokes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 8, 2015 Share wow Patrick Morewood has done damn well, judging by the level of antagonism here! bike looks HOT! cobus3000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypot Posted June 8, 2015 Share I like the MAX. The idea behind it is great. Hairy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobus3000 Posted June 8, 2015 Share From what I have heard 135mm or 137mm depending on a little tweak. It says 126mm in the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 8, 2015 Share It says 126mm in the articleNow, yes. It didn't until this morning nonky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobus3000 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Now, yes. It didn't until this morningMy bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesme Posted June 8, 2015 Share Hi guys Have a look at: https://www.bikehub.co.za/features/_/gear/previews/first-look-pyga-stage-mx-and-plus-five-chain-line-concept-r2401 https://www.bikehub.co.za/features/_/gear/gear-news/pyga-industries-launches-the-stage-a-new-carbon-marathon-bike-with-a-twist-r2698 G "What is the "+5" ?" - Chain-line offset. What is the "+5" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted June 8, 2015 Share After another look at the bikes, they really after fantastically beautiful bikes and really go against the grain of what is considered the accepted geo for cross-country racing 29ers. But they're really not intended for the blue-collars. An alloy version would sell like hot cakes. Tatt, Iwan Kemp and Hairy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted June 8, 2015 Share He does not exactly count as a pro in my books. With all due respectAt his age.... he is a pro, and the man can ride for sure... I got to ride the stage mx around the camp at j2c - felt very nice indeed... but that is not exactly a serious test.... Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted June 8, 2015 Share After another look at the bikes, they really after fantastically beautiful bikes and really go against the grain of what is considered the accepted geo for cross-country racing 29ers. But they're really not intended for the blue-collars. An alloy version would sell like hot cakes. Isn't that where he started with the OneTen 29? Tatt, Hilton., rock and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted June 8, 2015 Share Isn't that where he started with the OneTen 29? That's a different bike. I'm talking about the exact same bike, just an alloy version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percyzn Posted June 8, 2015 Share I am sorry but bikes like the cannondale and specialized are proven on the world stage. I am sure the bike is great but if it does not break mainstream there is no way it will be perceived in the same pedigree and price tag is the expensive brands. To me this is one of those bikes that should grow on me. Don't like it at 1st glance. It is probably like my Mazda bakkie! When it 1st came out I thought to myself "you will not catch me dead in one of those". Now I drive one and love itCan't really compare a Mazda to a PYGA! LazyTrailRider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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