flowCountry Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) I go to Europe couple of times per year bahahahhaha! Never seen a morewood thereMaybe because Morewood has no distributor in italy etc? I live in Switzerland and mostly every dh/fr rider knows Morewood bikes! PYGA is also expanding here! The bikes they make are perfect for the terrain over here. Bike the world (swiss PYGA distributor) is doing an awesome job for exemple! Edited June 6, 2015 by flowCountry DJuice 1
NicoBoshoff Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 The trick would be to sponsor some pro's to ride this bike to podium on races like the Epic.They had Nico Pfitzenmeier on one for the Joberg2C
NicoBoshoff Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Spoke to a mate who has some insight. Due to their relatively poor buying power Pyga struggles to get components at prices that compete with the big boys, so they can't really get in lower (apparently). That of course may be so but will also not convince me to fork out R20k more than I have to just to support local.
Spoke101 Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Several of the brands you mentioned make their frames themselves. I cant quite associate "boutique" and "made in Taiwan", of even worse, "made in China", with one another. Those Eastern countries are known for mass producing things cheaply. But that is just my take on it. Regarding mass: I disagree with Spoke10, heavier <> stronger when it comes to carbon. With metal, it holds true, but for composites you could use a lot of low grade T300 fiber and get a heavier frame that is not as strong as the same frame made from high grade T1000 fiber, which could be lighter, too. The heavier frame could also have a higher %of resin, due to a lack of process control, which would also not make it stronger. In some cases with carbon composites, heavier implies lower quality.I agree with your point. I should have maybe explained better. I was meaning in the event of a crash and rock strike I am pretty sure which one would take the hit better. But yes there are a huge number of variables when it comes to carbon strength.
Hairy Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Just to add on to what Johnny said. When you're spending this kind of money, you don't just buy a bike, you buy into a brand and that brand's heritage. It's the same when you buy a Ferrari, you're not just buying a collection of nuts and bolts, you're buying a machine that is a product of years and years of constant development and that has a rich and vibrant heritage. Thus, the manufacturer can charge that premium, because you're not just buying another car, you're buying a Ferrari. Same with an S-Works Epic, you're not just buying a bike, you're buying into a brand with a rich history and that has clawed its way to the top of the mountain. For that, I'll pay the premium. Pyga just doesn't have that brand cachet and I won't spend that kind of money (not that I even have it to spend) on a Pyga.Sounds more like an elite boy's club the way you have just described the s werx model. There have been many a small boutique bike frame manufacturing brand's out there since the days of rigid steel mtbs. .......so don't discount there frame or expertise just yet. Also remember Patrick had been in the game for a long time and always manages to inject a little magic on all his frame's handling traits. For a small company who have designed their own frame and therfore invested heavily into it to get the moulds and jigs sorted they have done rather well re price. Just remember those garden variety top end carbon copy frames are produced in huge volumes and their development costs are very quickly paid off......The real cost to come to the final price tag on the floor is the cost to run the marketing machines and pay the best sports men and women in the world to ride their bikes. A rough example, Yolanda Neff who is ride some very unknown bike brand verses the garden variety she was on last year and yet she is still winning races. Best wishes PYGA. Spoke101 and JXV 2
PhilipV Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Several of the brands you mentioned make their frames themselves. I cant quite associate "boutique" and "made in Taiwan", of even worse, "made in China", with one another. Those Eastern countries are known for mass producing things cheaply. But that is just my take on it..Fair enough, especially the made in China bit. I personally won't exclude made in Taiwan frames, but that is only a personal opinion. I know Pyga tried hard to get local manufacturers to build the carbon frame, but at the end it just didn't work out. I don't know whether the overseas expertise was just better, if the price point was lower or whether QC was too hit and miss. I do know we have some of the best carbon assembly lines here in SA, whether making carbon wings translate well into making carbon frames might be a different story. Mark Hopkins' other brand, C-Sixx, has a Somerset West based manufacturer doing the carbon work, and the Dura-Ace wheels are also made by a Somerset West company. Christie 1
Hairy Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Fair enough, especially the made in China bit. I personally won't exclude made in Taiwan frames, but that is only a personal opinion. I know Pyga tried hard to get local manufacturers to build the carbon frame, but at the end it just didn't work out. I don't know whether the overseas expertise was just better, if the price point was lower or whether QC was too hit and miss. I do know we have some of the best carbon assembly lines here in SA, whether making carbon wings translate well into making carbon frames might be a different story. Mark Hopkins' other brand, C-Sixx, has a Somerset West based manufacturer doing the carbon work, and the Dura-Ace wheels are also made by a Somerset West company.Philip, stop debating. ... I am waiting at the start of the trail for you lot Bizkit031 and PhilipV 2
Ryanpmb Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Philip, stop debating. ... I am waiting at the start of the trail for you lotHaha. Classic!
Ryanpmb Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Spez is also made in China/Taiwan?No one is claiming them as boutique. You're missing the point. Christie 1
Trophy Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Looking at the specs on the Stage it is very close to the Camber?
stringbean Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Why is everyone comparing the pyga to Spez and cannondale and not to other local brands ie momsen,swift,silverback etc?
Lone_Ranger Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) How much is an S Works WC going for now, coz that's where this bike is pitched surely? Isn't that the only Spez with the RS1 fork? Last time I checked bikes in that class were R150k. Cannondale Factory Racing, S Works WC, Santa Cruz Tall boy with top build. Based on that I reckon the Pyga is good value for money. Not that I'd buy one, but it just seems wrong to compare this bike to middle of the range Spez bikes. Edited June 7, 2015 by Lone_Ranger flyluis and RockCoach 2
Johny Bravo Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 How much is an S Works WC going for now, coz that's where this bike is pitched surely? Isn't that the only Spez with the RS1 fork? Last time I checked bikes in that class were R150k. Cannondale Factory Racing, S Works WC, Santa Cruz Tall boy with top build. Based on that I reckon the Pyga is good value for money. Not that I'd buy one, but it just seems wrong to compare this bike to middle of the range Spez bikes.The world cup actually has the normal SID fork. Its about a 100k, depending on how much your lbs loves you. Normal Epic is R130k, but anyone qualifies for 10 percent discount. I know guys who have bought new for just over a 100k. Most of our local guys are riding the world cup versions, the rs1 is not favoured at this stage. All big big bucks. Our Rand really is worth absolutely squat.
Lone_Ranger Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) The world cup actually has the normal SID fork. Its about a 100k, depending on how much your lbs loves you. Normal Epic is R130k, but anyone qualifies for 10 percent discount. I know guys who have bought new for just over a 100k. Most of our local guys are riding the world cup versions, the rs1 is not favoured at this stage. All big big bucks. Our Rand really is worth absolutely squat.OK. But throwing a SID fork on the Pyga is going to drop close to R10k off the price, probably a bit less. Take the Pyga down to say R87.5k, which is a good whack cheaper than the Spez's mentioned above, with very similar spec. I can't see the RS1 taking off here, so this is probably a good comparison. Looks like good value for money, but I suppose when you're dropping that amount of cash for a bike, value for money isn't that much of an issue. Edited June 7, 2015 by Lone_Ranger
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