HappyMartin Posted April 27, 2016 Share But as a timed event each rider would have received 3,000 points? My response had nothing to do with the allocation of points but more to the statement made quite often in this thread that the fitter one gets the harder it is to have a heart rate above 80%. Which is plainly rubbish. Although due to training and racing regimes few riders would choose to ride for 210+ minutes above 80%. Why not post some time trial data where the effect of the peloton is less pronounced?That's simply wrong dude. Joe Friel even put a number to it. MHR can decline as much as 7% after an extended period of base training. You can expect at least a 3% decline in MHR. It's just the way it is. If MHR declines stands to reason it will get harder to get above Vitalities 80% goal. I even heard Dr Jeroen mention this effect of training on HR. andydude, BarHugger and dracs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted April 27, 2016 Share So I did a sub 2hr half marathon running race at avg HR 88% all for a whopping 600 points today! #lovethepointssystem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craai Posted April 27, 2016 Share Got my first 3000 points event on the new system today for the 32km Cradle run (I'm slow and not a runner, so got for 210 minutes above 80% MHR) Can't see myself doing that every week though Edited April 27, 2016 by Craai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarHugger Posted April 27, 2016 Share But as a timed event each rider would have received 3,000 points? My response had nothing to do with the allocation of points but more to the statement made quite often in this thread that the fitter one gets the harder it is to have a heart rate above 80%. Which is plainly rubbish. Although due to training and racing regimes few riders would choose to ride for 210+ minutes above 80%. Why not post some time trial data where the effect of the peloton is less pronounced?You keep suggesting my comment is rubbish.......very cocky as Dracs said........why don't you post some data and facts to back up your claims.....why must everyone else do all the dirty work for you.....then you refer to "the effect of the peloton".....you must be seriously delusional if you think elite level athletes can go at time trial based heart rate levels day in and day out.....you and Discovery both it seems to be.......as for it becoming more difficult to achieve a high heart rate percentage as one gets fitter.....the web is your friend......you might learn something.......unless of course you perceive yourself as a very fit elite athlete and you happen to operate at a very high percentage even during recovery rides......then it's actually just a case of you being offended by my actual observation........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 27, 2016 Share But as a timed event each rider would have received 3,000 points? My response had nothing to do with the allocation of points but more to the statement made quite often in this thread that the fitter one gets the harder it is to have a heart rate above 80%. Which is plainly rubbish. Although due to training and racing regimes few riders would choose to ride for 210+ minutes above 80%. Why not post some time trial data where the effect of the peloton is less pronounced? Chris Froome on his TDF winning effort smashed out at 145bpm average, discovery would have only give him 300 points on his winning effort as his average was below 80%. So the fitter you get, the harder it is to reach the 80% consistently. The fittest cyclist in the world dont do it but discovery expects weekend warriors to do it, good job discovery, good job BarHugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrethk Posted April 28, 2016 Share For those who don't have a Discovery supported device, Polar Beat seems about the best bet. Discovery recognise the workouts on it and if you have a Bluetooth heart rate belt (not necessarily Polar), it will record that and you will get the relevant points. Got 3000 points for my workout yesterday. Someone mentioned that they were running more than one heart rate tracking app at the same time, tried that and Beat did not drop the heart rate connection. Sent from my E5603 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyR Posted April 28, 2016 Share For those who don't have a Discovery supported device, Polar Beat seems about the best bet. Discovery recognise the workouts on it and if you have a Bluetooth heart rate belt (not necessarily Polar), it will record that and you will get the relevant points. Got 3000 points for my workout yesterday. Someone mentioned that they were running more than one heart rate tracking app at the same time, tried that and Beat did not drop the heart rate connection. Sent from my E5603 using Tapatalk How did you manage to average over 80% MHR for 210+ min? I can maybe do it for 60min, but to average that for anything over 90min is almost impossible for me, even at race pace. :-( Edited April 28, 2016 by WesleyR fabes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted April 28, 2016 Share Chris Froome on his TDF winning effort smashed out at 145bpm average, discovery would have only give him 300 points on his winning effort as his average was below 80%. So the fitter you get, the harder it is to reach the 80% consistently. The fittest cyclist in the world dont do it but discovery expects weekend warriors to do it, good job discovery, good job Good Job.jpgJust for giggles, I went all out up the back of Magic Forest the other day for about a 9 minute uphill. My peak rate was 163 or close to 90 %. Within 2 mins of going over the crest it was back at 130, even though I was still pushing the single track. If I had to train like that for a few hours I would be broken. From my good old days of 4-6 hours a day on heart rate training, my max was 180 and within 30s of interval rest it was back down to under 140, which would have been 70%. It's not pushing it to max as u get fitter, it's how quickly it drops if you rest even slightly while moving. So, ya, the methodology fails as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 28, 2016 Share How did you manage to average over 80% MHR for 210+ min? I can maybe do it for 60min, but to average that for anything over 90min is almost impossible for me, even at race pace. :-(I can also do it with relative ease. Frosty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted April 28, 2016 Share I can also do it with relative ease.Ah, but for how long with all your power workouts? Soon you will be fit enough to battle, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 28, 2016 Share Ah, but for how long with all your power workouts? Soon you will be fit enough to battle, tooWell, not sure. Even with "pacing myself" I can hit 80% with ease. Btw. This week is a bust. Haven't had a single session yet due to the squash thing. Tonight will be my first since last Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted April 28, 2016 Share Well, not sure. Even with "pacing myself" I can hit 80% with ease. Btw. This week is a bust. Haven't had a single session yet due to the squash thing. Tonight will be my first since last FridayFrom bitter experience, it takes two weeks to lose any material fitness, and is actually massively beneficial to do every 3 months or so. I just can't force myself to, and have itchy feelings after a day or two... #exerciseaddictionisalittlerash cat-i, Frosty and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted April 28, 2016 Share From bitter experience, it takes two weeks to lose any material fitness, and is actually massively beneficial to do every 3 months or so. I just can't force myself to, and have itchy feelings after a day or two... #exerciseaddictionisalittlerashYipI turn green and edgy like Hulk after 3 days if I don't roll my bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted April 28, 2016 Share YipI turn green and edgy like Hulk after 3 days if I don't roll my bikeIf I turned into Peter Sagan I'd be thrilled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted April 28, 2016 Share If I turned into Peter Sagan I'd be thrilled...Hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percyzn Posted April 28, 2016 Share 100kms on single speed, with over 2000m climbing.300 measly points. Bit of a joke... Morwa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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