eddy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Not many athletes too willing to man up to what they have done.......... I see what you did there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Is there "pomper of the year" awards, stage pomping races, world champ pomper award where your livelyhood is in direct proportion to how well you pomp No, but a lot of people train by themselves......... Edgar and intern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted January 11, 2016 Share they were much more careful about getting caught in France than in Spain or Italy. Yes, the French have created the crime of "sporting fraud" to tackle dopers. Meanwhile in Spain....... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/12092102/Blood-samples-in-a-Barcelona-freezer-could-spark-biggest-ever-doping-scandal-as-Operation-Puerto-resurfaces.html Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted January 11, 2016 Share Yes, the French have created the crime of "sporting fraud" to tackle dopers. Meanwhile in Spain....... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/12092102/Blood-samples-in-a-Barcelona-freezer-could-spark-biggest-ever-doping-scandal-as-Operation-Puerto-resurfaces.htmlThis needs to come out. The original decision was a disgrace. Need to know who all the tennis players, etc, etc were. FIFA/ IAAF pt 3,The Puerto Years eddy and Andrew Steer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted January 11, 2016 Share Both of my kids race competitively, your scenario is unacceptable to any parent of children who take their sport seriously.If they have to risk their health to win they won't compete and that may deter future stars who may be able to entertain you by setting the course on fire.I used to ride with a guy who admitted to doping at the age of 16. And there was a kid in my class who was on steroids. Hate to break it to you, but you're kids are racing (and playing rugby, waterpolo etc) against dopers. As long as the will (and pressure) to win is stronger than the kids (and parent's) moral compass and common sense it will always be an issue. GLuvsMtb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted January 11, 2016 Share I used to ride with a guy who admitted to doping at the age of 16. And there was a kid in my class who was on steroids. Hate to break it to you, but you're kids are racing (and playing rugby, waterpolo etc) against dopers. As long as the will (and pressure) to win is stronger than the kids (and parent's) moral compass and common sense it will always be an issue.I also doped in school, but it definately didnt make me faster, just hungier and fatter. :whistling: :whistling: Edited January 11, 2016 by Patchelicious EmptyB, Andrew Steer and Ed-Zulu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern Posted January 11, 2016 Share I used to ride with a guy who admitted to doping at the age of 16. And there was a kid in my class who was on steroids. Hate to break it to you, but you're kids are racing (and playing rugby, waterpolo etc) against dopers. As long as the will (and pressure) to win is stronger than the kids (and parent's) moral compass and common sense it will always be an issue.Remember the sad tale of Sean van Zyl. Think it ended with him being busted for dealing cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRider Posted January 11, 2016 Share I used to ride with a guy who admitted to doping at the age of 16. And there was a kid in my class who was on steroids. Hate to break it to you, but you're kids are racing (and playing rugby, waterpolo etc) against dopers. As long as the will (and pressure) to win is stronger than the kids (and parent's) moral compass and common sense it will always be an issue.You aren't breaking any news. I don't deny the fact that it happens or exists, just opposed to the idea of ignoring or legalizing the problem. That would make competition untenable for many youngsters such as my own who manage to compete clean successfully at the moment. PhilipV, intern and Danger Dassie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted January 11, 2016 Share I think the rationalisation, or rather attempt to do so by saying that others are doing it so level the playing field is an incredibly poor and corrupt argument. It also shows an extreme generalised ignorance of the effects of doping and effectiveness it has, it still won't turn an average athlete into an eilte level competitor but it does provide and unnaturally superficial advantage to an athlete amongst their peers.Take that and apply it to what we see daily in government, it's the exact same mentality and leads to a wholly corrupt and dangerous enviroment. Legalised or not. That kind of governance isn't acceptable, ever. Skubarra, DJR, NotSoBigBen and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern Posted January 11, 2016 Share I think the rationalisation, or rather attempt to do so by saying that others are doing it so level the playing field is an incredibly poor and corrupt argument. It also shows an extreme generalised ignorance of the effects of doping and effectiveness it has, it still won't turn an average athlete into an eilte level competitor but it does provide and unnaturally superficial advantage to an athlete amongst their peers. Take that and apply it to what we see daily in government, it's the exact same mentality and leads to a wholly corrupt and dangerous enviroment. Legalised or not. That kind of governance isn't acceptable, ever. Now we're talking, Mr DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Crispy Posted January 12, 2016 Share Good point.Ummmm, not so sure.The government officials who stole the R7billion from the textbook funds were never prosecuted. The money was "lost", even though they caught the people.Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 13, 2016 Share My comments were tongue-in-cheek but it is a bit of a scumbag move to not make your rides private while you are serving a doping ban.Why? Its social media, not professional athletics metrics Pty Ltd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lancesball Posted January 13, 2016 Share Remember the sad tale of Sean van Zyl. Think it ended with him being busted for dealing cocaine. Or this end of a 16yr old http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/16-year-old-positive-for-epo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmycool Posted January 13, 2016 Share Why? Its social media, not professional athletics metrics Pty LtdJa sure. I'm just saying it makes you come across as a bit of a scumbag on said social media platform. A lot of guys are very quick to delete or make their other social media profiles private when they get caught out but somehow not so much on strava. (This is all IMHO) intern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted January 13, 2016 Share Or this end of a 16yr old http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/16-year-old-positive-for-epo/Sad as it is for a 16 year old to get involved with this crap, perhaps CSA shouldn't be so shockingly gullible. We all know now how they believed someone else tried to lance's boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeloRacer Posted January 13, 2016 Share Van Staden's coach at the time should've taken the lie detector test like his dad and team doctor. Why did his coach refuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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