Garamundege Mugabe Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Sounds a little bit like entitlement...earn the max rewards by doing the minimal.....you could be quite correct - but if you had to choose, with brutal honesty, would you really choose an honest second over first? I don't know..Thanks for the chat gentlemen, apologies if I raised anyone's blood pressure with my devil's advocacy! Tumbleweed 1
BarHugger Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) you could be quite correct - but if you had to choose, with brutal honesty, would you really choose an honest second over first? I don't know..Thanks for the chat gentlemen, apologies if I raised anyone's blood pressure with my devil's advocacy!That is a very deep question and will ultimately ly with the individual and their ability to live firstly with themselves....and secondly living a lie.....rather shoot me.... Edited January 20, 2016 by BarHugger Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, BDF, intern and 1 other 4
Mntboy Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 you could be quite correct - but if you had to choose, with brutal honesty, would you really choose an honest second over first? I don't know..Thanks for the chat gentlemen, apologies if I raised anyone's blood pressure with my devil's advocacy!The honest second if that's what my hard work and effort affords me. I want to know that I've earned the achievements I get in life. Sometimes there just is right or wrong. The choice to cheat is one such time. Gen, intern, BDF and 1 other 4
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 you could be quite correct - but if you had to choose, with brutal honesty, would you really choose an honest second over first? I don't know..Thanks for the chat gentlemen, apologies if I raised anyone's blood pressure with my devil's advocacy!easy. 2nd place, knowing the oke in first would just be a needle away from having everything taken away from him. And no, it's not devil's advocacy. You're saying doping isn't bad, and you'd find nothing wrong with subjecting a kid to the doping lifestyle. Shame on you. Well done for perpetuating the rot. Patchelicious, Mntboy, BDF and 3 others 6
BDF Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 easy. 2nd place, knowing the oke in first would just be a needle away from having everything taken away from him. And no, it's not devil's advocacy. You're saying doping isn't bad, and you'd find nothing wrong with subjecting a kid to the doping lifestyle. Shame on you. Well done for perpetuating the rot.Personally, if I were an advocate, the devil would not be on my client list! Mntboy and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 2
Patchelicious Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Nothing to do with Strava but with plausible human performance but let me not spit in the soup and go along with less dirty although nobody really believes that (unless you believe in miracles)Ok jeez, forget that I said Strava... It has long been agreed by scientist that using times up climbs is not a relevant measurement of comparative capability. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
jcza Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Ok jeez, forget that I said Strava... It has long been agreed by scientist that using times up climbs is not a relevant measurement of comparative capability. Sure about that?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Sure about that? Isolation and all that. Patchelicious 1
Tumbleweed Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 lol - this "junk" is the cutting edge of medical science mate.. you'd be mad if I gave it to your kid - even if it made him 1st team rugby captain? and got him a nice fat varsity bursary with juicy supplements endorsements? yeah.. I often ask my wife if the old world values we teach our kids equip them for the future... If I ever found out my kid was taking supplements at varsity I would stop paying his fees and disown him... Gen 1
Tumbleweed Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Ok jeez, forget that I said Strava... It has long been agreed by scientist that using times up climbs is not a relevant measurement of comparative capability. I wonder what Michele Ferrari would use these days?
Patchelicious Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Sure about that?Pretty much. There are so many variables to take into account that is makes it almost impossible to compare performances on the open road. Day, temp, wind, fatigue/freshness, stage in training block, race strategies (the only constant in this equation is gravity ). Eg comparing Froomes VAM in the first attack in the Tour vs Quintanas VAM at the end, doesn't mean much. Unless you get all the pros, in a rested, trained state and make them race up a set hill at the same time, with no other GC/KOM race strategies etc. to worry about, you cant really compare the efforts with much certainty. This seems to be one of the few points that Ross and Jerone actually agree on If you disagree, why not substantiate it? Just disagreeing doesn't help. Edited January 20, 2016 by Patchelicious Mntboy, Mongoose! and GLuvsMtb 3
Mntboy Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Ok jeez, forget that I said Strava... It has long been agreed by scientist that using times up climbs is not a relevant measurement of comparative capability.Sure about that?Isolation and all that.I am finally getting round to reading Emma O'Reilley's book concerning her time with Postal and she makes/made an interesting observation concerning LA and his team mates at the time. Apparently his efforts were of an all in nature whereas some kept some gas in the tank so to speak. She writes that she felt it in the difference within the way his muscles felt compared to theirs. Can't recall the exact description but essentially different riders are going to give different levels of effort and will therefore have differing rates of recovery. Hence a pure scientific analysis is made difficult by the above even for riders who are completely identical in every other respects. Patchelicious 1
jcza Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Pretty much. There are so many variables to take into account that is makes it almost impossible to compare performances on the open road. Day, temp, wind, fatigue/freshness, stage in training block, race strategies. Eg comparing Froomes VAM in the first attack in the Tour vs Quintanas VAM at the end, doesn't mean much. Unless you get all the pros, in a rested, trained state and make them race up a set hill at the same time, with no other GC/KOM race strategies etc. to worry about, you cant really compare the efforts with much certainty. This seems to be one of the few points that Ross and Jerone actually agree on If you disagree, why not substantiate it? Just disagreeing doesn't help. I asked if you're sure.
andydude Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Twitter is much more entertaining than this thread. Or are we really not that bad a bunch Edited January 20, 2016 by andydude Patchelicious, Andrew Steer, TALUS and 1 other 4
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