Tumbleweed Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Its a benchmark and if the team is a member of MPCC riders won't be allowed to start. They call it a health check, however, a number of riders apparently are born with higher levels and others are thought to dope up to that level. DG fell foul of this while riding in Europe years back. It's been said that calling the immediate suspensions they used to hand out for being above a level for health reasons was the only way the authorities could claw one back on the dopers at a time when there was no test for EPO. Edited January 21, 2016 by Tumbleweed
Guest Lancesball Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 So you're sticking with "poop load" then? Cool.
jcza Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Well - 50 is the limit UCI has set - never ever seen anyone with a 50 naturally.... they may be out there, but they are few and far between. I have never seen a study on a safe limit - not sure that would pass an ethics comittee as a study proposal - I will ask around in cardiology next time I see someone. A couple of cyclists with levels above 50%, only name that comes to mind is Charlie Wegulius. Had to prove that he was abnormal. Best remembered as the rider that raced for team instead of country at Worlds.
RocknRolla Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I am learning so much from this thread...It's the biology class I never attended at school. Paul Ruinaard, EmptyB and ChUkKy 3
Paul Ruinaard Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Heres the thing - we clearly care about this stuff as this thread is now running 50 pages and its still getting more interesting and informative. This is a pretty fascinating topic and its pretty much a tragicomedy in the way that it has panned out with all nuances of the people involved having added their 2 cents along the way. Its like we all knew this was likely - we dreaded that it could be true and we hoped that it wasn't. But like in the movies the story has unravelled in such a way that it makes movie scripts and series look tame - their script writers could write this and we wouldn't watch it as we would say its too far fetched. I am continually fascinated by the psyche of the dopers as well as the righteous indignation they show when caught - this is what keeps me hooked on this topic - Lance, Kevin, Tyler, Rourke - basically all very similar..... RocknRolla, intern, Tumbleweed and 1 other 4
Tumbleweed Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 A couple of cyclists with levels above 50%, only name that comes to mind is Charlie Wegulius. Had to prove that he was abnormal. Best remembered as the rider that raced for team instead of country at Worlds. Ricco claimed to have a naturally high level too...but then again, he was getting his gear at McD's.
V12man Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 A couple of cyclists with levels above 50%, only name that comes to mind is Charlie Wegulius. Had to prove that he was abnormal. Best remembered as the rider that raced for team instead of country at Worlds. Couple of mountain climbers have documented levels over 50 - this might be nature or nurture or something else - like I say it's not a normal number - if I saw one over 50 I would probably get the test repeated thinking they had made a mistake.... intern and jcza 2
Shebeen Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 so is this going to be the #dopefriday thread? Tumbleweed and Paul Ruinaard 2
Paul Ruinaard Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 so is this going to be the #dopefriday thread?So far its the dopest thread of the year
BarHugger Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 so is this going to be the #dopefriday thread?#fosho.........laddies, bring the handbags........#doppingweekendstaystrong
andydude Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Well - 50 is the limit UCI has set - never ever seen anyone with a 50 naturally.... they may be out there, but they are few and far between. I have never seen a study on a safe limit - not sure that would pass an ethics comittee as a study proposal - I will ask around in cardiology next time I see someone.This is perhaps a good time in explaining why people that say doping levels the playing field are wrong. What the guys do that's below 50 is that they take epo to push it to high 40s/close to 50, the UCI limit. I think Lance's natural level was in the low 40s, thus he could improve quite a lot. Other guys' natural level is closer to 50 and can't increase it anymore. That's my simple understanding, so please help/explain more if you can.
Skubarra Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Other guys' natural level is closer to 50 and can't increase it anymore. So in a sense it does level the playing field in that everybody now have levels close to 50 (but not in the sense that everybody benefits equally from doping)
jcza Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 This is perhaps a good time in explaining why people that say doping levels the playing field are wrong. What the guys do that's below 50 is that they take epo to push it to high 40s/close to 50, the UCI limit. I think Lance's natural level was in the low 40s, thus he could improve quite a lot. Other guys' natural level is closer to 50 and can't increase it anymore. That's my simple understanding, so please help/explain more if you can. Correct although a higher level does not necessarily translate into performance. Wegelius was a domestique all his life and never won anything with a level of 51%.
Guest notmyname Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 This thread has really developed into plain awesome. Thanks Kev.
andydude Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) So in a sense it does level the playing field in that everybody now have levels close to 50 (but not in the sense that everybody benefits equally from doping)Yes, I think that's it, not everybody benefits equally. And what jcza said above. Edited January 21, 2016 by andydude
EmptyB Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I am learning so much from this thread...It's the biology class I never attended at school.Ditto....although a fair amount still confuses me. Just like school.
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