andydude Posted January 25, 2016 Share Do you?Are there no alternatives to this or is the world black and white? Should a diabetic stay on the couch? Should an asthmatic live in a fresh air tent? Should a recovering cancer patient not ride the Argust? Despite the fact that they may still be pumped up with UCI banned substances?I understand where you are coming from, but with all due respect, I think that's a discussion for another thread. It gets really tricky really fast. Back to KE, you propose that perhaps he was riding only to participate and not win, but I have the following questions: Did he still start in the racing group? Did he win any prize money? Did he receive any sponsorship which relies on him winning/doing well? If you are really sick then should you not rest and recover instead of racing in racing bunch? RocknRolla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Again...nowhere or anywhere as a matter of fact was your character brought in to the equation..I never made Olcoot out to be a victim.....it's a simple and clear observation on your comment So is he the victim now? This thread also started out about Kevin accepting his doping charge...not the mess he and his band of buddies caused....it has since spiralled in to a discussion around all things doping as well as the Emma Sadlier incident...it clearly shows that we are passionate about dopers getting caught....More especially, Dopers getting tarred and feathered. One would think that by not contesting the ruling KE would be applauded for not dragging the situation out and for giving an explanation as to how he arrived here And the tar and feather brigade wonder why more riders don't come clean.... BarHugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Share Those were good ones And they're not no name brand anymore... http://www.dedacciaistrada.com/EN/road.htmThey look really nice in the flesh too... just need to add some Raleigh stickers... Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share I understand where you are coming from, but with all due respect, I think that's a discussion for another thread. It gets really tricky really fast.Back to KE, you propose that perhaps he was riding only to participate and not win, but I have the following questions:Did he still start in the racing group?Did he win any prize money? Did he receive any sponsorship which relies on him winning/doing well?If you are really sick then should you not rest and recover instead of racing in racing bunch? I think those are valid questions which may lead back to the proposed alternative thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted January 25, 2016 Share More especially, Dopers getting tarred and feathered. One would think that by not contesting the ruling KE would be applauded for not dragging the situation out and for giving an explanation as to how he arrived here And the tar and feather brigade wonder why more riders don't come clean.... he didnt come clean at all. He made a bunch of excuses and blamed SAIDS for forcing him to choose between life and death or racing his bike If he did come clean it would be wonderful andydude, GLuvsMtb, Patchelicious and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted January 25, 2016 Share Is there a list of people that have actually been granted TUE's I have heard it is harder to get a Tue than it is to make water flow back up Vic falls in a floodAnd rightfully so, see a TUE can be used as a loophole for dopers. Imo anything that will influence the blood markers should be denied. You will have an unfair advantage even though the reason might be legit. Sit some races out until you are clean and be transparent about everything. No use in trying to use them as an excuse when the pawpaw hits the fan. If the issue is chronic well then get another job. Skinnyone, jcza, Edgar and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted January 25, 2016 Share Is there a list of people that have actually been granted TUE's I have heard it is harder to get a Tue than it is to make water flow back up Vic falls in a flood Rightly so, professionals shouldn't be racing when sick (unless its on the World Tour of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted January 25, 2016 Share Rouxtjie can you see my screen?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted January 25, 2016 Share Rouxtjie can you see my screen??????snap oom, waar is leon schuster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted January 25, 2016 Share Those were good ones And they're not no name brand anymore... http://www.dedacciaistrada.com/EN/road.htm coincidentally I think KE is riding a Deda roadbike. According to Insta at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share he didnt come clean at all. He made a bunch of excuses and blamed SAIDS for forcing him to choose between life and death or racing his bike If he did come clean it would be wonderfulFrom his perspective ridi his mtb is his life and his livihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocknRolla Posted January 25, 2016 Share And rightfully so, see a TUE can be used as a loophole for dopers. Imo anything that will influence the blood markers should be denied. You will have an unfair advantage even though the reason might be legit. Sit some races out until you are clean and be transparent about everything. No use in trying to use them as an excuse when the pawpaw hits the fan. If the issue is chronic well then get another job. My missus was successfully granted a TUE. We started the process prior to race day. All the forms, doctors notes, test results treatments medication was explained.She received emergency medical treatment for anaphylactic shock, which includes some banned substances. The race was two weeks after the incident. The received the TUE a week after the race for the date of the race only. Andrew Steer, DJR and rouxtjie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share From his perspective ridi his mtb is his life and his livihood. All the more reason he should defend his cycling career, his name, his reputation... Unless of course there is nothing to defend? His choice of action leads most reasoned folk towards thinking the latter. rouxtjie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share More especially, Dopers getting tarred and feathered. One would think that by not contesting the ruling KE would be applauded for not dragging the situation out and for giving an explanation as to how he arrived here And the tar and feather brigade wonder why more riders don't come clean.... There is a huge difference between getting bust and coming clean... Yet so see a single South African cyclist 'come clean' fandacious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share My missus was successfully granted a TUE. We started the process prior to race day. All the forms, doctors notes, test results treatments medication was explained.She received emergency medical treatment for anaphylactic shock, which includes some banned substances. The race was two weeks after the incident. The received the TUE a week after the race for the date of the race only. Trivia time: What does your wife have in common with Lance Armstrong??? Getting a TUE after an event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted January 25, 2016 Share All the more reason he should defend his cycling career, his name, his reputation... Unless of course there is nothing to defend? His choice of action leads most reasoned folk towards thinking the latter. especially when you own a bike shop, no events/races with your clients? No mobile workshop at the Epic? Etc..... Andrew Steer and GLuvsMtb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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