Thor Buttox Posted April 5, 2016 Share Okay.. this has been fun...ish, but it's definitely more fun getting hyped up for Roubaix. .Now we're getting onto the topic of how a very special rider can lift himself again and again recently and ride away from the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted April 5, 2016 Share Now we're getting onto the topic of how a very special rider can lift himself again and again recently and ride away from the field... Hahahaha... lekker little troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 5, 2016 Share Now we're getting onto the topic of how a very special rider can lift himself again and again recently and ride away from the field... A cheeky little jab hehe, but a valid question? If his performances are substantially better than others, then surely he should be subjected to the same scrutiny? We can't let opinion bias get in the way of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HdB Posted April 5, 2016 Share Now we're getting onto the topic of how a very special rider can lift himself again and again recently and ride away from the field... Well, for one thing, with all those second places working himself into the ground because everyone else just sat on his wheel, he got better training and so improved faster than the rest of the gatsitters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted April 5, 2016 Share Now we're getting onto the topic of how a very special rider can lift himself again and again recently and ride away from the field... There can only be one winner, someone has to do it and he has certainly been trying hard enough lately What did Gary Player used to say... ... the harder i practise the luckier i getso in Sagans case lets switch practise with trythe harder i try the luckier i get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Buttox Posted April 5, 2016 Share There can only be one winner, someone has to do it and he has certainly been trying hard enough lately What did Gary Player used to say... ... the harder i practise the luckier i getso in Sagans case lets switch practise with trythe harder i try the luckier i get I suppose adding all the times he's been full gas and only come second makes it easier to accept the times he wins. Who needs recovery... PS: I am a fan just in case my questions are misconstrued... But unfortunately, I've gone through the 'He must be clean.. I hope he' s clean.. Maybe he's clean... They're all dirty' scenario too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfdoesyn Posted April 5, 2016 Share If we brand them ALL clean or ALL as doper we are equally as guilty of putting blinders on. Both approaches are lazy and not accurate. It is statistically impossible that either of these extremes is the truth. The truth lies somewhere on the spectrum between these two extremes and that is what we need to try and discuss. Is the truth moving more towards the clean side, yes I think so. Both from the number of people doping as well as the level of doping I think it's on the decline, even if only marginal. Well it ever be totally clean, of course not. I'd sure like to see you prove how it is "statistically impossible" that all/none are doping. Unlikely, why yes, but impossible? This is your own opinion sans fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 5, 2016 Share I'd sure like to see you prove how it is "statistically impossible" that all/none are doping. Unlikely, why yes, but impossible? This is your own opinion sans fact.Ok yes you are right. It is highly unlikely.... Now please read it in the rest of the context of my post where I said thats where the truth is in between the two extremes and that where the focus must be. If you want to go on a crusade to prove that they are ALL dirty, or ALL clean, please feel free to waste your own time as we "know" that neither of those two extremes are the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicanZA Posted April 5, 2016 Share Fixed it... If you want to go on a crusade to prove that they are ALL dirty, or ALL dirt, please feel free to waste your own time as we "know" that neither of those two extremes are the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 5, 2016 Share To get the conversation back on track. Which 3 performances or situations last year made you sit up and take notice, where you found yourself asking "hmmm thats suspicious"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted April 5, 2016 Share If we brand them ALL clean or ALL as doper we are equally as guilty of putting blinders on. Both approaches are lazy and not accurate. It is statistically impossible that either of these extremes is the truth. The truth lies somewhere on the spectrum between these two extremes and that is what we need to try and discuss. Is the truth moving more towards the clean side, yes I think so. Both from the number of people doping as well as the level of doping I think it's on the decline, even if only marginal. Well it ever be totally clean, of course not.Touche on the blinkers. So you think doping is in decline? I wonder what is causing the trend - better and more testing post the LA era? Maybe - we will never really know I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted April 5, 2016 Share To get the conversation back on track. Which 3 performances or situations last year made you sit up and take notice, where you found yourself asking "hmmm thats suspicious"?Nibali 2014 Tdf..... the oke did'nt even open his mouth to breathe whilst going up the mountains.... it was like he had gills.... Crossed the line fresh as a daisy every day.... I remember watching that and thinking what a grand farce it was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted April 5, 2016 Share Nibali 2014 Tdf..... the oke did'nt even open his mouth to breathe whilst going up the mountains.... it was like he had gills.... Crossed the line fresh as a daisy every day.... I remember watching that and thinking what a grand farce it was... But he is a shark....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkals. Posted April 5, 2016 Share Nibali 2014 Tdf..... the oke did'nt even open his mouth to breathe whilst going up the mountains.... it was like he had gills.... Crossed the line fresh as a daisy every day.... I remember watching that and thinking what a grand farce it was... He was also only racing against the "B" rider of every other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkals. Posted April 5, 2016 Share But he is a shark....... of Messina! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 5, 2016 Share Nibali 2014 Tdf..... the oke did'nt even open his mouth to breathe whilst going up the mountains.... it was like he had gills.... Crossed the line fresh as a daisy every day.... I remember watching that and thinking what a grand farce it was... Considering the history of his team members and management and what is coming out about State sponsored doping, surely Astana must be one of the "dodgiest" teams on the World Tour at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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