J Wakefield Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Not too clued up on roadies so help me here How stong is uran vs. froome on TT i.e. will he put time into froome at all ? Uran is very very good at TT. When he has had form like does know he had previously beat Froome in 2014 by over a minute. Yes its a long time ago but that is also the last time Uran was riding like he is now.
Vetplant Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Landa lost huge form during this Tour, he basically did recovery rides around France admiring the scenery with a small sprint effort for 20s on route till yesterday. He was battling to balance and knew his form had gone downhill and decided to do a small effort to wake up the system. Problem was he was riding fasted all day and once he went from burning fat to Carbs during the Hi intensity effort, he wasn't used to it and blew. Its like coming off the couch after 3 weeks and trying to hit a all out intensity effort. *posted this in mag magazine*And yet he is only 1min36 behind the Yellow Jersey. Looking forward to him moving to a different team next year to hopefully compete for the title when he is actually in full form. Could make things very interesting.
scotty Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Froome has acknowledged how good Landa is and with reports of him leaving sees him as a very good challenger. Sky seem to pop out GC contenders to be snatched up by other teams, Uran, Porte, Landa, the list grows.
kosmonooit Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 It's been said before, watching the shots from the motos just doesn't do the gradient justice. Yup one has to been an eye on trees, signposts and buldings to get an idea. Much say its a relief that no one is slinging 'doper' mud at Chris this year, I think he is really showing himself to be the worthy champ he is. Who was it on here on the hub that wouldn't STF up in this regard- our new CSA treasurer was it? (LOL)
Fat Boab Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Not too clued up on roadies so help me here How stong is uran vs. froome on TT i.e. will he put time into froome at all ? Well in this years opening prologue, Froome was 51 s ahead of Uran. Yes, it was raining......
kosmonooit Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Froome has acknowledged how good Landa is and with reports of him leaving sees him as a very good challenger. Sky seem to pop out GC contenders to be snatched up by other teams, Uran, Porte, Landa, the list grows. Perhaps doing the support role for someone like Chris is a pathway to GC contender elsewhere, but if you come into a team with that role one you are obligated to honor that imo and not to showboat your ambitions, and it also shows that Sky are good at finding these people. Its worked out well at Sky this time and Chris has handled it with great skill and honesty (cf sourpoes Wiggo when Chris was working for him) , lets see it the Basque warrior can pull it off elsewhere (Porte hasn't) but he does show great potential and has taken mountain stages at Grand Tours.
Fat Boab Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Well in this years opening prologue, Froome was 51 s ahead of Uran. Yes, it was raining...... More detailed commentary on Uran vs Froome below. Place your bets! https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/tour-de-france-analysis-can-rigoberto-uran-take-yellow-22km-time-trial/
Plentipotential Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 And yet he is only 1min36 behind the Yellow Jersey. Looking forward to him moving to a different team next year to hopefully compete for the title when he is actually in full form. Could make things very interesting. He is very close to Froome, as Froome was to Wiggins when he played the support role. Sky manage the race differently to other teams and I for one think Froome was only under pressure once this year, stage 5. And then Landa did to Froome what Froome did to Wiggins, what goes round comes round. What will be interesting to see is can Landa step up to the role of leader and handle the pressure of expectation. Important to remember that Froome has very good riders to support him unlike the other GC contenders. Looking at the top 10 places this morning the other 9 riders have had poor support over the 3 weeks. Yes now and again there have been team mates to help, yesterday AGLM rode on the front for a while but Froome has had strong support every day all day. Most teams seem to hedge their bets with a contender and perhaps a stage winner. BMC for example had Porte but what was Roche up to? No doubt BMC's management will be on the red carpet next week, they get a load of money and have not delivered. Sunweb on the other hand have managed their race extremely well, not looking for an overall place they have come away with 4 stage wins and 2 jerseys, very successful tour imo. It's all about going with a plan and all the role players buying into the plan.
Prince Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 So if we take a high level view of the Sky tactics for the entire race. Chris... go all out on day one to get a couple of seconds follow the wheels for the next three weeks and maybe get a few seconds here and there go into the final time trial with a lead and comfortably win the whole thing. A strategy perfectly executed. No not a Sky fan at all but they are good at what they do.
nickc Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Well in this years opening prologue, Froome was 51 s ahead of Uran. Yes, it was raining...... Also Uran was forced to change to a spare TT bike just before his start due to a UCI Ruling on his TT bike about the setup - they had previously OK`d it.
Shebeen Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I am sure that if Atapuma and Ulissi rode with him on the last climb in an attack he could have gained another 30 to 45 seconds on Yates. Not enough, but just enough to scare Yates into riding a very nervous TT and maybe make a mistake.yup, suppose team priority put a potential stage win over an outside shot at dragging back white. and Aru must also have been wondering where lutsenko has been the past three weeks.
Shebeen Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 More detailed commentary on Uran vs Froome below. Place your bets! https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/tour-de-france-analysis-can-rigoberto-uran-take-yellow-22km-time-trial/ remember this is a short TT, and has got a weird bump in it too! http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2017/2000/PROFIL.png Uran has been the standout performer in this tour. no one gave him a shot at even top10. this might have helped him claw back some of the gains he has, as he wasn't on the radar as a threat until deep into the tour. cannondale must be stoked after some very average recent history
Fat Boab Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 remember this is a short TT, and has got a weird bump in it too! http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2017/2000/PROFIL.png Uran has been the standout performer in this tour. no one gave him a shot at even top10. this might have helped him claw back some of the gains he has, as he wasn't on the radar as a threat until deep into the tour. cannondale must be stoked after some very average recent history So with a profile like that, and with Froome, presumably starting after Uran, who's your head vs heart shouting for?
Plentipotential Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Top 10 at the end of yesterdays stage with first time overall deficit and 2nd time deficit to stage winner after stage 1 13 km TT. 3rd row defecit behind Froome after TT stage 1 1. Froome 0 12" 02. Bardet 23" 51" 39"3. Uran 29" 1'03" 51"4. Landa 1'36" 1'08" 56"5. Aru 1'55" 52" 40"6. Martin 2'56" 49" 37"7. Yates 4'46" 37" 25"8. Mentjes 6'52" 1'12" 1'00"9. Barguil 8'22" 59" 47"10. Contador 8'32" 54" 42" I've added the third row to show the deficit behind Froome.
Pah Bear Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 He is very close to Froome, as Froome was to Wiggins when he played the support role. Sky manage the race differently to other teams and I for one think Froome was only under pressure once this year, stage 5. And then Landa did to Froome what Froome did to Wiggins, what goes round comes round. ... BMC for example had Porte but what was Roche up to? ...Don't agree with your "What goes around comes around" analogy in this case. CF like Landa was stronger on the day then the leader. CF went, then waited (ordered or what not the issue - he waited). Landa, based on interactions after went (was not given the freedom to go) so unlike CF, did not wait to support his leader. Lots said about "Could have", "Should have", and all the rest. It was so close to the finish and that ladder so steep, would it have made a difference? I think not but the idea of sticking to your leader and doing what you can is probably the overriding understanding. Once you allow guys to override that it will make black and white grey and that spells trouble. At least that IMO is how the Skyborgs roll. Landa, at 27 even younger than Porte and if he has ambitions, then it might be best to move one while CF is around. Chris at the start of the season indicated interest in The Tour and Vuelta, so take 2 big tours out of reach for fellow riders. Thus I think G's attempt at the Giro. At 31 his also already getting past sell by date. On Roche? Admired his father to no end and pretty unimpressed with Nic for ever and the day. Even at Sky he had on and off days so was glad they let him go. Was MOST surprised when BMC signed him but then what do I know.
splat Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Kwiatkowski can't be human. More machine than man me thinks Anyone else see kwiatkowski chuck his jawbreakers just a few minutes before he pulled off?That Oke is so strong right now, he gave it EVERYTHING today.Saw that.. Nice little present... He was so buggered he couldn't even consider fitting them into his helmet! This. As I was watching I thought exactly the same thing. My new secret cycling crush when he stopped and put his foot down I knew I could be like a pro.'leave it all out on the road'and'go till you blow' What a performance from him. Massive respect
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