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That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.

The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.

You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.

However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!

You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering.

 

I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!

This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.

Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs.

Interesting - My mates Ghost which he has added a thingymajiggy to, to fool the governor, can carry me at 50km/h on the flat with no problem at all. Not sure what impact that has on the warranty, but it doesn't feel like a bicycle to me. In fact, my son's KTM 125 ebike doesn't accelerate much faster. 

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I am looking at trails to ride in the Adirondack mountains in New York when we are there in July, and most of the ones I have looked at specify no ebikes. No idea why. Maybe they don't like motorbikes in their forests 

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That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.

The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.

You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.

However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!

You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering.

 

I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!

This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.

Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs.

 

A friend was in Europe in December and January of this year.

 

They bought two ebikes there.  Apparently the latest European regulations are moving away from the 25km/h limit, and replacing this with a "250W" motor limit.

 

Clearly there will be a different high power market as well ... but if the volume sales are limited in power levels in may be interesting to see how this impact the next generation of volume ebikes ...

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I am not suggesting a unilateral banning of eBikes on trails. What I suggest is that if a motorbike is not allowed on the trail then that should include eBikes.

That is insane

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