Ascension Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Something like that should definitely be classified as a motorbike, not an assisted bicycle and only be allowed on trails where motorbikes are also allowed. It does look like a lot of fun though. Hahah yeah I want one! But don`t want to ride mtb trails with it, that is just wrong. This is the point I`m making, eBikes should not be allowed on mtb trails at all. How will they monitor what eBikes have what power if trails are limited by power? The viable solution is to not allow eBikes at all - just ride a normal mtb, its great fun!
Patchelicious Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Hahah yeah I want one! But don`t want to ride mtb trails with it, that is just wrong. This is the point I`m making, eBikes should not be allowed on mtb trails at all. How will they monitor what eBikes have what power if trails are limited by power? The viable solution is to not allow eBikes at all - just ride a normal mtb, its great fun! Erm, easy.... Each MTB trail would invest in a dyno. MTB trails make heaps of cash, they can easily afford this. They could actually even generate more revenue by offering tune ups.... Ascension 1
Mambat Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) I got flamed for suggesting that soon an eBike will have 2000w. Well here is one with 1500w and I will bet that it will be well over 2000w within 2 years. See the dirt fly as it rips-up the trail: https://neematic.com/ That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering. I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs. Edited May 16, 2019 by Mambat
Mambat Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 And yes there are more of us Dads and Lads on e-Bikes. Five Dads currently and six boys. Heinrich Hattingh and GaryP 2
Patchelicious Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering. I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs. erm... Erm, easy.... Each MTB trail would invest in a dyno. MTB trails make heaps of cash, they can easily afford this. They could actually even generate more revenue by offering tune ups....
Ascension Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2016/09/23/e-bikes-shouldnt-allowed-mtb-bike-trails/ https://gearpatrol.com/2019/02/21/are-electric-mountain-bikes-legal/
Mambat Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 erm... Patch not sure what you are trying to say here but E-Bikes sold in our market as Pedelec bikesare limited to 500W and 32km/h. Anything else is not legal therefore NO GO on the closed trails.
Patchelicious Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) Patch not sure what you are trying to say here but E-Bikes sold in our market as Pedelec bikesare limited to 500W and 32km/h. Anything else is not legal therefore NO GO on the closed trails.I am saying that eBikes can do way more than 500w, so its not a "myth". the video proves it, so its FACT (trademark Specialized) How would the poor Oom or tannie at the Meerdal gate know that my eBike is limited to 32kph? I have answered that they should have a dyno, because I am a problem solver like that. But until then, how? Also, why are they illegal and your bikes aren't, why do you discriminate against that e-bike, but you say yours is ok? Is that a double standard? What if my son and I enjoy riding our 33kph 600w eBikes together and its how we bond? Edited May 16, 2019 by Patchelicious BigDL 1
NGM Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 What if one rides an ebike but it identifies as a regular bike? DieselnDust, Allrounder, tux26 and 4 others 7
Patchelicious Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 What if one rides an ebike but it identifies as a regular bike? Exactly! My YZ250 identifies as an normal MTB, I duck taped some pedals to the side of the crank case and we will do the Epic together next year. Heinrich Hattingh and BigDL 2
BigDL Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering. I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs.Interesting - My mates Ghost which he has added a thingymajiggy to, to fool the governor, can carry me at 50km/h on the flat with no problem at all. Not sure what impact that has on the warranty, but it doesn't feel like a bicycle to me. In fact, my son's KTM 125 ebike doesn't accelerate much faster. Ascension and Patchelicious 2
BigDL Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 I am looking at trails to ride in the Adirondack mountains in New York when we are there in July, and most of the ones I have looked at specify no ebikes. No idea why. Maybe they don't like motorbikes in their forests Ascension and Jase619 2
GaryP Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 And yes there are more of us Dads and Lads on e-Bikes. Five Dads currently and six boys. As somebody famous once said: "ROCK ON"! Looks like loads of fun! rorydewet 1
ChrisF Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 That is not a pedelec, it has a throttle, it is NOT ALLOWED on any MTB trails worlwide.The pedelec bikes are pedal assisted only and give assistance up to a legally required 25Km/h in Europe, 32Km/h in US and RSA.You can ungovern, uncork, modify the motors to give you more top-end speed.However on the new generation motors they can immediately pickup that the speed limitation on wheel size has been tampered with if going the software route, cheers warranty!You can mechanically mess with the bike but again the latest software seems to be able to identify the tampering. I also hear laughable claims that ungoverned these bikes will do 60/70 km/h on the trail!This is a myth! Remember we only have a maximum of 500W from the motor. The latest 2019 motors will give you a spike of around 700W , previous generation was around 685W.Most pro-MTB riders generate those kind of watts regularly on climbs! Not a chance these grand pianos can reach those kinds of speeds on the flats or climbs. A friend was in Europe in December and January of this year. They bought two ebikes there. Apparently the latest European regulations are moving away from the 25km/h limit, and replacing this with a "250W" motor limit. Clearly there will be a different high power market as well ... but if the volume sales are limited in power levels in may be interesting to see how this impact the next generation of volume ebikes ...
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