Next XTR: It is 12 speed !

[dasilvarsa]

Advantages of 1x vs 2x system

Improved Ground Clearance due to smaller chain ring.
Improved Chain Retention and Much Smoother pedaling action due to the NW chain ring (Longer Teeth) and Precision CNC Manufacture.
Less Chain Noise and Improved Chain Line. Chain dropping eliminated.
Eliminates 5 adjustments L H Height Tension Parallelism.
All Gears Usable. Cleaner Cockpit Layout and Lighter Bike.
Max Speed of 30-36 Km/hr Achievable dependent on Chain Ring Tooth Count. 29er.
Min Speed of 6-9 Km/Hr Achievable depending on Chain Ring/Cassette Combination.
Tuneable - Front Chain Ring can be changed in minutes and are freely available.(Reasonably Priced)
Chain can be easily removed from crank for cleaning and maintenance. (Chain stays cleaner, the NW ring seems to eject dirt from the chain.)
Cheaper to maintain bike due to reduced parts count. Even wear on cassette because you now use all the gears.
No speed loss when you change from big ring to small ring on a 2x.

But the best Advantage is the way it rides, the close ratios are a big +, You find yourself improving and being able to tackle more difficult situations with ease.

[BikeisLife]

 

 

Guessing it’s a new Scalpel as well as the new Shimano Groupset!

 

 

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[BikeisLife]

gotta love that eagle looking decal , hint hint sram ..... the japs are coming

That’s the German National Animal symbol - he’s German. But I guess we could say that [emoji23]

 

 

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[SlowRiderNewbie]

I think you're looking for your porn in the wrong places. Lots of excellent free stuff out there.

 

 

IMO its all about your weight and fitness.

 

Summary of my reply is i went back to 2 x and am happy again.

 

WRT XTR: XTR is and always has been made of unobtanium thats why its so pornographically expensive. Its like running carbon fibre discs on a Porsche road car  - great if you are a racing driver but useless if you do 20 000 km in your road car every year.

 

12 speed XTR is going to have an inhale factor that is going to leave us all breathless when we see the price. Do i like it - yes. Do i love it - yes. Do i need it - no. Will my 2 x 11 speed make me happier - yes.

 

FWIW: My lesson wrt this was using 10 speed road bike groups mixed with MTB groups. I managed to build a combo for my wife's bike using Ultegra compact cranks, MTB RD and clusters and road shifters that has all the climbing range and low ratios and all the high speed pedalling range - more than my 2 x 11 does. And for a third of the price using spares i bought here.

 

1 x is really like half of everything. IMO designed for people who can cope with it. Its like designer fashion gear: it only fits super models with insane body measurements and the balance of the populace who are normal aspire to being like them but can never quite get there.

[BikeisLife]

 

No new shimano... yet

 

 

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[SlowRiderNewbie]

I'm going to vote 2x but I'm not in JHB

 

It seems like the vast majority of riders calling for 2 x are in JHB?

[SlowRiderNewbie]

The up part sucks.

 

you would love riding up and definitely DOWN hills too ............... if you guys had them

[solty]

Still 2 levers on the LHS of the bars... vs 1 on a 1x

And then you do that on a Scott Spark with the lekker lockout levers, and then you hear about these dropper post things. And then you mount your light nexto your Garmin so you can go for a night ride. And then 900mm bar widths become the new benchmark.

[SlowRiderNewbie]

Are wider bars better?

Then again if one goes wider on the bars you have more real estate for tech gadgets too

[SlowRiderNewbie]

Below the belt in a nice way or a nasty way?

a few too many arguments that went way below the belt, if i remember correctly. 

[Hairy]

Are wider bars better?

only if you are using red grips

[Twaatie]

apparently it is a "thing"

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/05/article-2716329-203E16BD00000578-112_306x685.jpg

With those pants design, he must be.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An Enduro rider

[GiantSpez]

Shimano needs to design the 13 speed from the group up. Not adapt the 11 to 12. Thats where SRAM is better.

[Traveler]

Just saw a release date on Shimano's Instagram. 25/05/2018. It's coming.

 

Who cares?

 

They are doing a 10-51 which is 510%..... e*Thirteen 9-46 is 511%, so Sh1tmano is still behind.

 

Now if they did a 10-52, that might have been interesting.

..... will give it, Shimano makes good fishing reels, but not as good as Penn or Abu Garcia.

[SwissVan]

And then you do that on a Scott Spark with the lekker lockout levers, and then you hear about these dropper post things. And then you mount your light nexto your Garmin so you can go for a night ride. And then 900mm bar widths become the new benchmark.

Exactly

And don’t forget the bell ????

And then a chain catcher thing on the frame almost where the FD should be

And then you almost back at square one....wishing for 2 x

[Headshot]

It's never been a better time to be a 2x lover.. it's hard to give away a FD these days.