The Veganism Thread

[Mojoman]

Ahh For heavens sakes.

All you need to do is come to the see the Dairy industry in KZN and you will see your statements are thumb suck BS.

Im all for respecting different beliefs Vegan, vegetarian etc.

But when I see trivial BS it makes my blood boil

I cycle past a dairy farm in my area...cows are in the boiling sun...no shade...calvea aren't with their mothers and the whole place smells of sh$t. Same with the feed lots.

 

Lot of chicken farms here too. Stench is unreal. And i regularly find dead chickens dumped in the veld....not one or two but a truck load with the locals scavenging for something to eat. Makes you wonder why they are just dumped....

 

I quit eating eggs long before I stopped meat....got a nice embryo in my soft boiled egg...yummy...chicken periods...

Edited November 30, 2018 by Mojoman

[Patchelicious]

Thanks dude, that was all I was asking for.

 

Would you personally eat her eggs?

 

Then another question, and this is not facetious, I am getting at something here that might be something to consider, I'll get to it now now.

 

When Pekkles dies after living out her natural life, could I eat her? She didnt die so that I can eat her, but now that she is dead, its either me or the earth worms?

 

Lets say we get into a positive feedback loop with the good argument for plant based diets, and the conversion to veganism exponentially accelerates. What happens to the cows and chickens? Seeing that the industry they were bread for is in decline, who funds their food and well being? Then when they do die, could their meat not be used for feeding the population?

 

Maybe we could take all the cows and release them into the Kruger and let the lions eat them? We seem to be ok with that?

Edited November 30, 2018 by Patchelicious

[GrahamS2]

The actual answer is most meat processing plants probably somewhere between what Mousea is saying and what Odi is posting.

 

I have seen really good rendering plants and some farkin heinous rendering plants! Most are "decent".

 

That said - watching an animal get killed is tough to watch - whatever the means of death is.

It's all about efficiency and maximum usable product. Clubbing a cow to death a) destroys the hide, b) damages a large amount of meat, and c) take a long time. That all equals lost revenue. Why would anyone do that when they are trying to achieve the opposite?

[Escapee..]

Escapee, I'm not trolling when I write this. If you can get me a pass into one of the abbatoirs that apply these measures, I'd organise you a case of the best Belgian brew. 

 

I'll be in SA in March/April next year. 

 

Done, I chatted to her now and she says we can make a plan.

 

She is the COO of the abattoir.

[Odinson]

Thanks dude, that was all I was asking for.

 

Would you personally eat her eggs?

 

Then another question, and this is not facetious, I am getting at something here that might be something to consider, I'll get to it now now.

 

When Pekkles dies after living out her natural life, could I eat her? She didnt die so that I can eat her, but now that she is dead, its either me or the earth worms?

 

Would I eat the egg? No. It's a cholesterol bomb that came out of the bird's ass. 

 

Would I eat the hen's body? No. In the same way that I don't eat my pet if I had to put them down or scrape them off the road if they get run over, I wouldn't eat Pekkles.

 

Would you think someone is well balanced if they told you that their 20yr old Ridgeback died the previous week and then they threw him/her on the spit that weekend?  

[Odinson]

Done, I chatted to her now and she says we can make a plan.

 

She is the COO of the abattoir.

 

I'll PM you my email address. Then we can set this up. 

[Escapee..]

It's all about efficiency and maximum usable product. Clubbing a cow to death a) destroys the hide, b) damages a large amount of meat, and c) take a long time. That all equals lost revenue. Why would anyone do that when they are trying to achieve the opposite?

 

Also affects shelf life

[Odinson]

Lets say we get into a positive feedback loop with the good argument for plant based diets, and the conversion to veganism exponentially accelerates. What happens to the cows and chickens? Seeing that the industry they were bread for is in decline, who funds their food and well being? Then when they do die, could their meat not be used for feeding the population?

 

Maybe we could take all the cows and release them into the Kruger and let the lions eat them? We seem to be ok with that?

 

Patch, you have very elaborate ways of putting forth classic arguments. 

 

Supply and demand. Less people eating meat equals less breeding. 

 

If the world went vegan tonight, we'll have to deal with all the cows and other livestock, but there's a better chance of Zuma paying back the money than that happening. 

[Patchelicious]

Done, I chatted to her now and she says we can make a plan.

 

She is the COO of the abattoir.

 

[Odinson]

 

Jy ken my sleg. 

[Patchelicious]

Patch, you have very elaborate ways of putting forth classic arguments. 

 

Supply and demand. Less people eating meat equals less breeding. 

 

If the world went vegan tonight, we'll have to deal with all the cows and other livestock, but there's a better chance of Zuma paying back the money than that happening. 

Maybe, but I need to get elaborate to make a point about eating dead cows that might go to waste.

 

Ultimately, even if vegan conversions is slower than breeding rates, we will one day end up with many redundant species of animals that were bread purely for farming and will likely not survive otherwise. Its a sad thought. Not a reason to not go vegan of course, the extinction of a animal breeds is a small sacrifrice to make for the greater good, but is a sad thought.

[Eldron]

It's all about efficiency and maximum usable product. Clubbing a cow to death a) destroys the hide, b) damages a large amount of meat, and c) take a long time. That all equals lost revenue. Why would anyone do that when they are trying to achieve the opposite?

You, I and the managers/owners of the business understand this but in my (limited and fairly dated) experience most rule breaking comes from workers who don't give a rats arse and just want their wages at the end of the week.

[Patchelicious]

Would I eat the egg? No. It's a cholesterol bomb that came out of the bird's ass. 

 

Would I eat the hen's body? No. In the same way that I don't eat my pet if I had to put them down or scrape them off the road if they get run over, I wouldn't eat Pekkles.

 

Would you think someone is well balanced if they told you that their 20yr old Ridgeback died the previous week and then they threw him/her on the spit that weekend?  

Its does seem logical, purely from a calorific requirement point of view, that we eat the dead animal rather first killing them and then eating them. Seems like a waste of calories.

Edited November 30, 2018 by Patchelicious

[Patchelicious]

Would I eat the egg? No. It's a cholesterol bomb that came out of the bird's ass. 

 

Would I eat the hen's body? No. In the same way that I don't eat my pet if I had to put them down or scrape them off the road if they get run over, I wouldn't eat Pekkles.

 

Would you think someone is well balanced if they told you that their 20yr old Ridgeback died the previous week and then they threw him/her on the spit that weekend?  

 

But you would feed this cholesterol bomb to Pekkles, who's the monster now!

[Odinson]

Its does seem logical, purely from a calorific requirement point of view, that we eat the dead animal rather first killing them and then eating them. Seems like a waste of calories.

 

By that logic, we should be eating our dead too. 

 

"Kom, kinders! Ons eet ouma tjoppies vanaand!". Would be a much better use of resources. 

[Odinson]

But you would feed this cholesterol bomb to Pekkles, who's the monster now!