The Veganism Thread

[HDW]

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Read it once more...

 

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Last time...

 

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Got it now?

 

Okay so is being gay a choice or not?

[stefmeister]

 

''other sources of the killer elements, he discovered the amazing fact that these acacia trees were capable of defending themselves from over-browsing by literally killing off the animals that ate their leaves.

To top this off, he found that they also release ethylene from damaged leaves which float downwind, and are absorbed by neighbouring trees. The ethylene acts as a warning signal – a kind of chemical SOS. The neighbouring trees then start to produce more tannin-C before they are browsed''

https://uk.blastingnews.com/world/2015/10/the-incredible-killer-tree-that-broadcasts-an-sos-to-its-neighbours-00610971.html

 

Trees and plants have feelings.

We not being able to perceive it does not mean it does not exist. 

 

Drawing that conclusion ( that plants have feelings) from that is just wrong.

The logical explanation would be evolution favoured the survival of these trees that produced ethylene when tissue were damaged as well as those that responded to it. Ethylene is a plant hormone that serves many functions, including stimulating ripening of fruit as well as in this case where tissue is damaged. Tannins (phenolic compounds) are present in plants, and serves amongst other things to protect plants.

Nothing supernatural about it.

[Eldron]

Okay so is being gay a choice or not?

 

I'm going to go with: For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

[Rigardt@Scott]

Okay so is being gay a choice or not?

He is saying that some are born that way. Some born straight choose to be gay.

 

It is both a choice for SOME and not a choice for others.

 

Let's keep this thread on track...

Edited November 29, 2018 by Grease_Monkey

[Eldron]

He is saying that some are born that way. Some born straight choose to be gay.

 

It is both a choice for SOME and not a choice for others.

 

Let's keep this thread on track...

 

Here is a well balanced view on it - by people with a lot more experience and education than me:

 

https://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001335

 

That should end that discussion.

[IceCreamMan]

Sexuality is far to cOmplex and research far too little to make judgement calls on at this stage....early development, genetics, etc etc etc are little understood in relation to the complexity of the human being.

 

Insulting or having a holier than thou attitude on either side of the fence is unacceptable.

[Escapee..]

It is a valid card in that lions are forced to eat meat - humans have alternatives.

 

Either way the whole argument is a bit silly. Being vegan is like being gay, religious, mixed race couples etc - if you don't want to be any of those things don't. You have the choice.

 

You also have the responsibility to not condemn anyone who chooses a lifestyle different to yours (same applies to them).

 

 

Eldron you keep posting studies that show that most people have no choice in being gay.

 

That is not what you said in this quote though

So fix this and we can all go ahead and finish our organic kale salads

[HDW]

I'm going to go with: For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Which isn't what you said in your first post regarding this.

[IceCreamMan]

Here is a well balanced view on it - by people with a lot more experience and education than me:

 

https://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001335

 

That should end that discussion.

You know the American psychological association listed hmesxuality as a disease as recently as 1972....

 

You really think in the time since then we completely understand homosexuality... way to soon to tell.

 

Back to veganism, you remember not so long ago, eggs were bad, butter was bad, fat was bad and margarine and low fat diets were the healthier alternative.

 

Point being, one should refrain from the aujourd'hui philosophy and the supposed enlightened views that follow.

[Mousea]

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Read it once more...

 

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Last time...

 

For some it's a lifestyle choice - for most it isn't.

 

Got it now?

Popcorn

[HDW]

Popcorn.

 

With no butter.

[Mousea]

With no butter.

Margerine

[Goodbadugly]

Drawing that conclusion ( that plants have feelings) from that is just wrong.

The logical explanation would be evolution favoured the survival of these trees that produced ethylene when tissue were damaged as well as those that responded to it. Ethylene is a plant hormone that serves many functions, including stimulating ripening of fruit as well as in this case where tissue is damaged. Tannins (phenolic compounds) are present in plants, and serves amongst other things to protect plants.

Nothing supernatural about it.

Very much a choice of definitions.

Trees can't run or cry. Trying to stay alive by omitting noxious substances is a next level of evolution.

Same as with ethylene. Ingenious.

[Goodbadugly]

Margerine

Proper vegan popcorn. Yuck!

[Robbie Stewart]

Funny, I was just craving some popcorn as I was getting to the end of the latest post thread, but seeing as I can't find any, I will settle for biltong for the time being.

What I fail to understand is the near militant defense of animals, and the absolute horror at the killing of one for food...part of me gets the gist of the moan, just not enough to make me go vegan. I am not a fan of ill treatment of animals.

What absolutely shocks me though is that unborn babies getting slaughtered in vastly worse ways get no mention...? 

If a woman has unprotected sex, and falls pregnant, it is murder to kill her unborn child, just because the child does not fit in with her lifestyle, and it being her body and all that crap. And don't come with "ja, but what about babies born from rape etc etc". Statistics PROVE that babies aborted for those type of reasons are in the vast minority globally. The large majority of abortions are "convenience abortions".

The day an unborn child is protected in the womb, I will stop eating meat for life, until then, I eat whatever I fancy.

 

***bring on the hate***

[HDW]

Funny, I was just craving some popcorn as I was getting to the end of the latest post thread, but seeing as I can't find any, I will settle for biltong for the time being.

 

What I fail to understand is the near militant defense of animals, and the absolute horror at the killing of one for food...part of me gets the gist of the moan, just not enough to make me go vegan. I am not a fan of ill treatment of animals.

 

What absolutely shocks me though is that unborn babies getting slaughtered in vastly worse ways get no mention...? 

 

If a woman has unprotected sex, and falls pregnant, it is murder to kill her unborn child, just because the child does not fit in with her lifestyle, and it being her body and all that crap. And don't come with "ja, but what about babies born from rape etc etc". Statistics PROVE that babies aborted for those type of reasons are in the vast minority globally. The large majority of abortions are "convenience abortions".

The day an unborn child is protected in the womb, I will stop eating meat for life, until then, I eat whatever I fancy.

 

***bring on the hate***

 

Ja, very funny! I was looking for a religion but then realised I'm not a sheep, so I went with thinking for myself instead. Classic.

 

I agree with you on abortions, I dont like it one bit. So are you saying that it is wrong to take the life of an innocent being?