[Event] 2019 PPA One Tonner

[DJTerblanche]

But the winning time is 3h53. So the winners will get a seeding index of 6.

If you did 4h41 you will should a seeding of just below 15 and with the new seeding indexes be in A group.

So 92/808 riders will be/stay in A. 54 of them started in A, 13 in B, 11 in C and 14 in D (savages fault!)

[Pure Savage]

But the winning time is 3h53. So the winners will get a seeding index of 6.

If you did 4h41 you will should a seeding of just below 15 and with the new seeding indexes be in A group.

So 92/808 riders will be/stay in A. 54 of them started in A, 13 in B, 11 in C and 14 in D (savages fault!)

 

I think 92 is around about right, were there 70 riders in A at the start. If you remove us pulling from D and those that hung on from the start and then those we pulled once we caught C, you would probably only have had 70 people getting an A seeding. That would have equaled the start group size. So the formula works. They could have adjusted winners time so that 4:34 would have earned an A seeding, then only 60 would have gotten the A. 

 

Glad we dont have to do the seeding! 

[billygoat0523]

i'm glad they sorta sorted this seeding thing out.  will want to know what the limits of the other groups are now.

[Karman de Lange]

i'm glad they sorta sorted this seeding thing out.  will want to know what the limits of the other groups are now.

C= 20.00-25.00 

[KingZA]

D = 25.00 - 29.00

 

Changing winners times is bizarre if you ask me.

 

I think they should have left the riders index as it was and then just keep the group breakpoints dynamic to constantly balance all the groups. That way top X percent are A, next X percent are B etc etc

[billygoat0523]

so far I have:

 

A 0-15

B 15-20

C 20-25

D 25-29

E 29-34

 

Any how, I probably belong in F somewhere, so E will do fine for me.  I wonder why they decided to change the limits of the groups instead of just reverting to the old winning times and betas of the other races.

[Breezer]

I did a 5.06 in the one tonner and my seeding is 22.something. I still have a b seeding, although my sportiff race they used have a 15 penalty. Now this is where the problem lies. I had a seeding index between 5 and one when I was still riding seriously. Now 1 and a half years later I still have a high seeding. I think that when a race is older than 6 months they must not use it for seeding. Then the riders would be much more equal in the seeding group.

[Rouxenator]

Pffft. For me it was harder than last years beta of 2.0 and in the light of the recent K2C beta I call BS. 

[Karman de Lange]

so far I have:

 

A 0-15

B 15-20

C 20-25

D 25-29

E 29-34

 

Any how, I probably belong in F somewhere, so E will do fine for me.  I wonder why they decided to change the limits of the groups instead of just reverting to the old winning times and betas of the other races.

think they simply fixed the “base” event eventually used to calculate winner and betas.....  now had to shuffle groups to make spread correct 

[DieselnDust]

The beta for one Tonner is about right, it's 40% harder than the cycle tour.

[Skubarra]

Pffft. For me it was harder than last years beta of 2.0 and in the light of the recent K2C beta I call BS. 

 

Weather conditions were far better than last year, it was cooler & we had a tailwind for the second half.

 

Also I suspect weather plays a far smaller role in the beta than we imagine it should - example is the 2019 CTCT which now have a beta of 1 despite the slower than usual finishing times for everyone (but the pros)

[Skubarra]

I think 92 is around about right, were there 70 riders in A at the start. If you remove us pulling from D and those that hung on from the start and then those we pulled once we caught C, you would probably only have had 70 people getting an A seeding. That would have equaled the start group size. So the formula works. They could have adjusted winners time so that 4:34 would have earned an A seeding, then only 60 would have gotten the A. 

 

Glad we dont have to do the seeding! 

 

Seems like the new system worked for the One Tonner at least, not to rehash old moans but my main gripe with the previous setup that too often I finished at the sharp end of my group only to end up with a seeding index that would actually drop me down a group. Hopefully the new setup can fix this without making it too easy to jump up the seedings.

[Pure Savage]

Seems like the new system worked for the One Tonner at least, not to rehash old moans but my main gripe with the previous setup that too often I finished at the sharp end of my group only to end up with a seeding index that would actually drop me down a group. Hopefully the new setup can fix this without making it too easy to jump up the seedings.

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Yeah, the tricky part is the fastest guys will ride faster and stay in A. Unless you get 10 people falling back it’s really hard to make a dent.

 

The shorter flatter races make it even harder to improve seeding

[Karman de Lange]

m

Yeah, the tricky part is the fastest guys will ride faster and stay in A. Unless you get 10 people falling back it’s really hard to make a dent.

 

The shorter flatter races make it even harder to improve seeding

My best seeding is still from West Coast express.   I don't do climbs, so flat/fast events work for me.....

 

Not sure what best method is to get everyone match properly .. I would think going back to average of best 2/3 events would be best representation of true "fit" in a group for multiple types of events (flat/hilly/long/short etc).

[Skubarra]

My best seeding is still from West Coast express.   I don't do climbs, so flat/fast events work for me.....

 

Not sure what best method is to get everyone match properly .. I would think going back to average of best 2/3 events would be best representation of true "fit" in a group for multiple types of events (flat/hilly/long/short etc).

 

Agree 100% Even the best seeding systems will have some "random variations" on a single event, using the average of a few events will remove this.

[Rlerm]

I’m lost in this seeding stuff... I did a 6:53 so what will my seeding end up being since it’s not updated on racetec as of yet....

 

And what starting group at the Argus I’m looking at... Last year it were 3G