SRAM back pedaling on DOT fluid

[Headshot]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-quietly-launches-new-db8-mineral-oil-brakes.html#cid3252648

I'd buy those if they ever get sold as non OE parts...

[droo]

DB are their entry level brakes. I'd imagine they're trialling this on bikes that get zero maintenance to see if they hold up. 

 

Maybe we'll see them move to mineral oil in a few years, who knows.

 

In the meantime, I hope they supply rebuild kits for these things. I foresee many knackered seals from people not reading the warnings and bleeding them with DOT.

[Headshot]

30 minutes ago, droo said:

DB are their entry level brakes. I'd imagine they're trialling this on bikes that get zero maintenance to see if they hold up. 

 

Maybe we'll see them move to mineral oil in a few years, who knows.

 

In the meantime, I hope they supply rebuild kits for these things. I foresee many knackered seals from people not reading the warnings and bleeding them with DOT.

Zero maintenance is the holy grail in my book 🙂 

[Steady Spin]

4 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Zero maintenance is the holy grail in my book 🙂 

So, Hope?

[Headshot]

1 minute ago, Steady Spin said:

So, Hope?

Not so far, but maybe one day.

[DieselnDust]

42 minutes ago, droo said:

DB are their entry level brakes. I'd imagine they're trialling this on bikes that get zero maintenance to see if they hold up. 

 

Maybe we'll see them move to mineral oil in a few years, who knows.

 

In the meantime, I hope they supply rebuild kits for these things. I foresee many knackered seals from people not reading the warnings and bleeding them with DOT.

Yes I think this is just a convenience factor since more people are pushing out maintenance, especially in the e-bike market. We'll see a lot more educed maintenance components being launched from all players. With stock shortages and official service centres overflowing with work resulting backlogs of up to months in the USA reducing the requirement for maintenance is a market driven need rather than performance. 

For bigger brakes like these DB8 or Codes I don't see much of a trade off but forsmaller xc brakes that work harder while still trying to be feathery light it' hard to get away from the superior DoT fluid. Forula made a successful transition but it did come at extra weight in the Cura range

[DieselnDust]

6 minutes ago, Steady Spin said:

So, Hope?

there's no such thing as zero maintenance.

extended intervals yes but not zero

[droo]

9 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

there's no such thing as zero maintenance.

extended intervals yes but not zero

Zero maintenance = repair or replace, both of which cost more than maintenance and with more ending up in landfill.

 

It also results in something that performs way below par for most of its life.

[Duane_Bosch]

17 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

there's no such thing as zero maintenance.

extended intervals yes but not zero

I had a set of Hope V2's. Got them from CRC. I went big with braided hoses and floating rotors. Multiple Alps trips. Many many many full pulls of Pleney. No fade. 0 bleeds. 

 

Then I got a bike with Shimano Saints. I have a bottle of mineral oil in my garage.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Duane_Bosch

[Jewbacca]

I had Hope 4 pots. I thought they were junk.

Well they weren't junk, but they definitely did not live up to the 'Hope or nothing' I heard so much of.

The only really cool thing they offer is easy to get replacement parts for every little piece. That is rad, but doesn't make them brilliant brakes on the performance front.

And yes, I tried a heap of different things, pads etc.

I have cheap 'junk' Shimano Zee brakes and with some initial fiddling they have amazing modulation, way better power than the Hopes and they were half the price. 

On topic, I'm not convinced 'back-pedaling' is accurate. Companies are allowed to Make use of alternate systems without meaning the other is rubbish. Car companies make same model cars in both Diesel and Petrol, they don't have to choose one and say the other is rubbish

[Duane_Bosch]

3 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

I had Hope 4 pots. I thought they were junk.

 

Credibility gone. You have to praise all Hope and Garmin products irrespective of your personal views.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Duane_Bosch

[Jewbacca]

6 minutes ago, Duane_Bosch said:

Credibility gone. You have to praise all Hope and Garmin products irrespective of your personal views.

hahahahaha 

I also had some Hope rims that were absolute turd. Heavy and softer than cheese.

But sshhhhh

[droo]

2 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

hahahahaha 

I also had some Hope rims that were absolute turd. Heavy, narrow and softer than cheese.

But sshhhhh

Fixed

[Jewbacca]

Just now, droo said:

Fixed

Truth

[Headshot]

But how does a 30 year old motorbike maintenance free shock still work fine while a bike version would have died within a fraction of that without maintenance? 

Same can be said for 30 year old frame linkage bearings which also still rotate smoothly enough to remain in service with zero maintenance done over the years. 

[MORNE]

6 minutes ago, Headshot said:

But how does a 30 year old motorbike maintenance free shock still work fine while a bike version would have died within a fraction of that without maintenance? 

Same can be said for 30 year old frame linkage bearings which also still rotate smoothly enough to remain in service with zero maintenance done over the years. 

stuff built in the 80/90s was just more betterer?

why vintage bikes are still working with a bit of spit and polish...same reason why a 2018 mini/alfa/fiat/vw wont be collectable or classic is 30y time lol..it probably wont even work anymore. Stuff is built to NOT last these days...on purpose. Nothing else...all this high performance this, tolerance that is all marketing BS to pander to consumerism. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by MORNE