Road Bike - Disc or Calipers

[Mongoose!]

What is the cheapest new disc brake bike one can buy currently here ?

 - carbon frame

 - hydraulic brakes

 

[Jewbacca]

10 hours ago, Sid the Sloth said:

soooo a gravel bike

pffft

A road bike that can go through the occasional muddy puddle or Ruyteplaat spicy gravel while using it's 'nice wheels' without worrying you will gauge your brake tracks?

Makes perfect sense to me....

But some will not accept change. IF we use extremes as an example, the Pro peleton, smashing avg speed records, KOMs, winning times everywhere, 99% on disc brake bikes.

They can't be that much slower than their older cousins if they allow everyone to go quicker and quicker.

 

[Jewbacca]

11 hours ago, RossTopher said:

I'll probably be lynched for saying it...but what about cable disc and upgrade to hydro calipers like those TRPs = easiest/cheapest balance of parts and maintenance costs, with advantages re brake surface as @Jewbacca mentioned. 

I never thought I'd need or want 11 speed, until I tried to find 10 speed Campag cassettes that I don't have to sell a kidney for, so the answer should factor in the manufacturer. 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32837800184.html

https://www.amazon.com/Juin-Tech-Lightweight-Flat-Mount-Cyclocross/dp/B08BXR662C

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233956608159

These.... I had a set of these on my gravel bike for a while (the post mount version). They are actually brilliant and, as you say, offer a very easy solution at little weight penalty or braking performance.

[jcza]

3 hours ago, Mongoose! said:

What is the cheapest new disc brake bike one can buy currently here ?

 - carbon frame

 - hydraulic brakes

 

Theres a couple of options with 105. Expect to pay between R30k-R40k. 

[Sid the Sloth]

1 hour ago, Jewbacca said:

pffft

A road bike that can go through the occasional muddy puddle or Ruyteplaat spicy gravel while using it's 'nice wheels' without worrying you will gauge your brake tracks?

Makes perfect sense to me....

But some will not accept change. IF we use extremes as an example, the Pro peleton, smashing avg speed records, KOMs, winning times everywhere, 99% on disc brake bikes.

They can't be that much slower than their older cousins if they allow everyone to go quicker and quicker.

 

Don’t worry. I agree. But I am also convinced a large number of riders would be happy on a gravel bike and switching road and gravel wheels than on a pure road bike. I would say at least a pair of training wheels with 32s would be lovely for a road bike around Cape Town. I’ve started hopping onto the new trail up the side of constantia nek on my road bike and it’s fantastic - but I wouldn’t recommend doing it on nice racing tyres, unless you like risking them 😅

[The Ouzo]

The one thing that I did pick up on GCN review about these is that there is no ability to ad satellite shifters. 
whilst not a big deal, half the appeal to me about electro shifting is being able to have strategically placed satellite shifters. 

[DieselnDust]

14 minutes ago, ouzo said:

The one thing that I did pick up on GCN review about these is that there is no ability to ad satellite shifters. 
whilst not a big deal, half the appeal to me about electro shifting is being able to have strategically placed satellite shifters. 

And Rival is cheaper 

[W@nted]

As a road bike weight weenie, i will have to fork out a lot of money to get a disk road bike to match/beat my current 6.8kg rim brake 11 speed etap setup with 28mm tires. So I am happy for now…

i cannot justify the cost/benefit for a disk bike at the moment.

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, W@nted said:

As a road bike weight weenie, i will have to fork out a lot of money to get a disk road bike to match/beat my current 6.8kg rim brake 11 speed etap setup with 28mm tires. So I am happy for now…

i cannot justify the cost/benefit for a disk bike at the moment.

especially when there are rims that allow for really good braking in the wet.

but the sky is falling if you're not on disc brakes

[W@nted]

1 minute ago, DieselnDust said:

especially when there are rims that allow for really good braking in the wet.

but the sky is falling if you're not on disc brakes

If it is muddy, wet, sandy, I’d rather be on my mtb anyway😁

[DieselnDust]

followed a friend down Chappies, he on discs , me on alloy rims with caliper brakes.

He didn't ride away from me and ended up losing a lot of skin when his rear brake locked up when the pads suddenly built up enough heat for friction to take over. It could have been nasty if a vehicle was coming the other way.

But hey, the kingmakers shout its better faster safer

[BigDL]

3 hours ago, Sid the Sloth said:

Don’t worry. I agree. But I am also convinced a large number of riders would be happy on a gravel bike and switching road and gravel wheels than on a pure road bike. I would say at least a pair of training wheels with 32s would be lovely for a road bike around Cape Town. I’ve started hopping onto the new trail up the side of constantia nek on my road bike and it’s fantastic - but I wouldn’t recommend doing it on nice racing tyres, unless you like risking them 😅

So true - for so many of us, the benefit of skinny tyres, enhanced aero etc etc make little difference to our ride. I rode across the UK a few weeks back and only realised afterwards that I didn't use my drops once. Made my think about why I have them. 

[Jewbacca]

4 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

followed a friend down Chappies, he on discs , me on alloy rims with caliper brakes.

He didn't ride away from me and ended up losing a lot of skin when his rear brake locked up when the pads suddenly built up enough heat for friction to take over. It could have been nasty if a vehicle was coming the other way.

But hey, the kingmakers shout its better faster safer

By the same token 55000 disc brakes safely descend there weekly and a further however many caliper braked bikes have fallen on the same stretch of road.

You're being incredibly sensationalist by making up 'reasons' that disc brakes are inferior. BOTH work. The sky is not falling on anyones head. Millions of both types of bikes are ridden successfully and unsuccessfully every day. BOTH are used incorrectly by their drivers often. 

You're saying all these negative things about disc brakes (mostly nonsense) without really adding anything to the caliper side of the story. 

In your opinion, without saying 'disc brakes or dumb because your mom (or other reason', why are caliper brakes better. Punt them by saying positive things about the technology.

I like my disc brakes because I can ride it in puddles and on some detours while using my carbon wheels with little fear of damaging the rims due to use (not a catastrophic accident).

For me, in Cape Town, that is rad. 

Without bashing disc brakes, what makes your older tech appeal to you more?

[DieselnDust]

3 hours ago, Jewbacca said:

By the same token 55000 disc brakes safely descend there weekly and a further however many caliper braked bikes have fallen on the same stretch of road.

You're being incredibly sensationalist by making up 'reasons' that disc brakes are inferior. BOTH work. The sky is not falling on anyones head. Millions of both types of bikes are ridden successfully and unsuccessfully every day. BOTH are used incorrectly by their drivers often. 

You're saying all these negative things about disc brakes (mostly nonsense) without really adding anything to the caliper side of the story. 

In your opinion, without saying 'disc brakes or dumb because your mom (or other reason', why are caliper brakes better. Punt them by saying positive things about the technology.

I like my disc brakes because I can ride it in puddles and on some detours while using my carbon wheels with little fear of damaging the rims due to use (not a catastrophic accident).

For me, in Cape Town, that is rad. 

Without bashing disc brakes, what makes your older tech appeal to you more?

the only consistent sensationalism is coming from your keyboard

[Cheese]

On 6/29/2022 at 3:18 PM, Spirog said:

There is a huge difference in the braking of the disk brake systems. Chalk and cheese. Plus, it's definitely going to get tougher to find spares for both 10-speed and rim brakes in the future. Future-proof your purchase.

What are the options you're looking at?

Have a few options of 2014/5 models Bianchi with SRAM red 10 speed caliper brakes, vs Gian 2018 with 11 spd, and disc breaks.

I am leaning to the future proofing.

[Cheese]

On 6/29/2022 at 3:54 PM, lechatnoir said:

if properly set up and maintained, both brake-types will give you all the braking you'll need.,

discs are newer, 'fancier' and secondhand will attract a higher price

see what's available in your price range, though I suspect, if you're shopping new, discs will be all you'll find these days.

Let us know where the decision lands.

Definitely not shopping new .

So mostly it is caliper, but then I found one with Discs.

I have done around 120 000 km on my current roadbike and bought it second had , so looking for the best value I can get but that will last a few years as well.