betaboy Posted February 14, 2023 Share I see Campagnolo’s ProcTour presence is down to only one team! This could maybe be the last year we see Campag at top level and finally surrender to the broom wagon. I can’t even picture cycling without them? Campagnolo always equalled cycling. I mean back in the day I was sporting my Camp aero bottle and they just had a certain sense of style, and always had amazing innovation. The bike industry is changing and I fear it’s not for the better. When most bike shops in the US are offering 50 % sales to free up over heads cash. I can see Campagnolo’s price point to be a good conversion when many models don’t come spec’d with there equipment.🤔😔 Anyways, just like cork been replaced so it’s that Campag corkscrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Posted February 15, 2023 Share I can see why, the performance and ergonomics of their groupsets are not on par with the SRAM or Shimano. I went from Super Record to Ultegra and the difference was immediately noticeable. The R20 000 groupset out performed the R80 000 groupset in almost every single way. The Campag wheel technology is also lagging far behind the rest. quintonb and Mongoose! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBERT MICHAEL Posted February 15, 2023 Share Berlusconi's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattnow Posted February 15, 2023 Share To be fair, any of the top tier groupsets perform perfectly. Anyone telling you Dura Ace is better the Super Record and vice versa etc is just justifying budgets etc. They all shift gears, a very simple concept granted if you running mechanical it needs to be setup properly. I run all 3 brands granted across different types of bikes and they all superb. From GRX, to GX to Super Record they all perform perfectly. Everything else is personal preference. Campagnolo is like the Italian sports car, there is just something about the design. Campagnolo was also first to the road scene ( between the 3 major players) with the 12 speed groupsets, 13 speed on Gravel groupset and I believe there is a 13 speed road setup coming very soon. Not sure we can say they lagging behind... they will simply remain the niche brand. Furbz, Underachiever and Mongoose! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose! Posted February 15, 2023 Share 10 hours ago, betaboy said: I see Campagnolo’s ProcTour presence is down to only one team! This could maybe be the last year we see Campag at top level and finally surrender to the broom wagon. but also keep in mind, ProTeam's cannot choose what is "best" - They ride with whatever is sponsored. Lets hope the open spot left by Campag will be filled in a few years with the upcoming Chinese groupset manufacturers. Believe they are close but not 100% ready for pro level yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furbz Posted February 15, 2023 Share 42 minutes ago, wattnow said: To be fair, any of the top tier groupsets perform perfectly. Anyone telling you Dura Ace is better the Super Record and vice versa etc is just justifying budgets etc. They all shift gears, a very simple concept granted if you running mechanical it needs to be setup properly. I run all 3 brands granted across different types of bikes and they all superb. From GRX, to GX to Super Record they all perform perfectly. Everything else is personal preference. Campagnolo is like the Italian sports car, there is just something about the design. Campagnolo was also first to the road scene ( between the 3 major players) with the 12 speed groupsets, 13 speed on Gravel groupset and I believe there is a 13 speed road setup coming very soon. Not sure we can say they lagging behind... they will simply remain the niche brand. I have all 3 groupsets Sram Red 12s AXS the New Ultegra 12s di2 and Super Record EPS 12s while i like certain parts of certain groupsets. (the wireless Sram system and integrated powermeter, The hood design and buttons on Ultegra, the Braking power and gorgeous carbon crank of Campy) Equallly there are bad points on each. Srams massive hoods and silly brake fluid choice, Ultegras crank scratches far to easily leaving nasty silver underlay rather than a mute carbon of the others , campys finger destroying wiring system and old school thumb lever. all of them are excellent and no matter which one you ride it will not make a significant difference to your overall performance on the bike. they all do everything extremely well - its personal preference Mopkop and Underachiever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 15, 2023 Share 11 hours ago, betaboy said: I see Campagnolo’s ProcTour presence is down to only one team! This could maybe be the last year we see Campag at top level and finally surrender to the broom wagon. I can’t even picture cycling without them? Campagnolo always equalled cycling. I mean back in the day I was sporting my Camp aero bottle and they just had a certain sense of style, and always had amazing innovation. The bike industry is changing and I fear it’s not for the better. When most bike shops in the US are offering 50 % sales to free up over heads cash. I can see Campagnolo’s price point to be a good conversion when many models don’t come spec’d with there equipment.🤔😔 Anyways, just like cork been replaced so it’s that Campag corkscrew. 2022 = cofidis, UAE & AG2R (de rosa, BMC & Colnago) 2023 = AG2R on a BMC only (cofidis=look UAE colnago/shimano) so is it not a bigger thing that we don't have an italian brand with campy on it? Wilier, Bianchi, Colnago and Pina all on shimano a lot of Dura Ace allround really. https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rouleur-journal/worldtour-team-bikes-2023-everything-you-need-to-know This article is now 5 years old, I wonder how the shift to lower tier groupsets is going obviously covid and affects was impossible to predict at time of writing? https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/how-campagnolo-plans-to-stay-relevant-in-a-changing-market/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarc Posted February 15, 2023 Share For the safety of Shitmano - I will stay out of this conversation 😁 PregoRoll, bikebloke and Prince 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose! Posted February 15, 2023 Share 4 minutes ago, madmarc said: For the safety of Shitmano - I will stay out of this conversation 😁 Shame Sram on you Zebra and bikebloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachiever Posted February 15, 2023 Share 2 hours ago, Furbz said: I have all 3 groupsets Sram Red 12s AXS the New Ultegra 12s di2 and Super Record EPS 12s while i like certain parts of certain groupsets. (the wireless Sram system and integrated powermeter, The hood design and buttons on Ultegra, the Braking power and gorgeous carbon crank of Campy) Equallly there are bad points on each. Srams massive hoods and silly brake fluid choice, Ultegras crank scratches far to easily leaving nasty silver underlay rather than a mute carbon of the others , campys finger destroying wiring system and old school thumb lever. all of them are excellent and no matter which one you ride it will not make a significant difference to your overall performance on the bike. they all do everything extremely well - its personal preference I just love the thumb lever 🙂 Prince and Jakkals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinnekop Posted February 15, 2023 Share 13 minutes ago, Underachiever said: I just love the thumb lever 🙂 Read somewhere on some patent docs for the future, thumb lever is designed out......... Underachiever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madone69 Posted February 15, 2023 Share 4 hours ago, Aurora said: I can see why, the performance and ergonomics of their groupsets are not on par with the SRAM or Shimano. I went from Super Record to Ultegra and the difference was immediately noticeable. The R20 000 groupset out performed the R80 000 groupset in almost every single way. The Campag wheel technology is also lagging far behind the rest. Shooo. bold statements....you should have tried a better mechanic...very few mechanics know campagnolo.🤔 ito Pro tour representation...it's all about the money and sponsorship....the pros have less choice and have to ride what they given (mostly) Most of the Italian brands have suffered in comparison to all others...groupsets, wheels and framesets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babse Posted February 15, 2023 Share I'm actually surprised it's still around in 2023... And I'm out 🏃♂️ Jakkals., Jewbacca and DieselnDust 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PregoRoll Posted February 15, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, madmarc said: For the safety of Shitmano - I will stay out of this conversation 😁 Im glad im not the only one that calls it Shitmano😂 betaboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yyyy Posted February 15, 2023 Share There is nothing sexier than a high end campy mechanical on an Italian bike wattnow, Underachiever, Prince and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 15, 2023 Share 50 minutes ago, Madone69 said: ito Pro tour representation...it's all about the money and sponsorship....the pros have less choice and have to ride what they given (mostly) Most of the Italian brands have suffered in comparison to all others...groupsets, wheels and framesets Surely Campy will move heaven and earth to stay on at least 1 world tour team, They got the 43rd of their TdF victories in only 2021. https://cycling-passion.com/tour-de-france-winner-groupsets-year-year/ I do wonder how many pro-conti and lower divisions run campy, would think even less by proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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