Danger Dassie Posted November 30, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, SSCC said: However, in a 1998 paper entitled “Cycling Uphill and Downhill” David P. Swain wrote: “At very slow speeds (on the order of 16 km/h or less) air resistance is negligible, and drafting becomes nearly meaningless.” >>> Plus holding the line on corrugated rough roads is more effort than it’s worth. if you disagree what year did you do the Munga and what was your moving time? Thanks, that isn't the entire paragraph however which sets a very different context scenario broadly. "Given that the appropriate steepness has been reached, a major change in race dynamics occurs. As gravity supersedes air resistance as the primary force that must be overcome, drafting becomes a relatively less useful tool in the competition...." Plus most riders are averaging above 16kmh. Even on corrugations pacing together works, obviously one can't rely on generalisations, but pacing/draughting in a group does on balance offer an advantage. Unfortunately, I don't have any Munga palmeres to brow beat with, just my own overall riding experience. Dabbled with some min events and designed a few sets of kit, so I identify as a jersey. Without getting personal it also doesn't make anyone's contribution lesser. Understandable that it may be your viewpoint. Well done on doing it, memories for life. justinafrika 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted November 30, 2023 Share 25 minutes ago, Ozzie NL said: Well done on being a Mungril. Don't think I have that in me Ja but isn't your wife a Mungril? ...... Joh, sentences that in any other setting would end in violence! Ozzie NL, justinafrika, The Ouzo and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peetwindhoek Posted November 30, 2023 Share Since that post showing Drikus' moving average around 2 hours ago, he has increased that even more and sitting at 27.4km/h now! Bliksem, mind blowing stuff. Is he drafting Ramses' record time? Rowl, ChrisF and white tiger 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie NL Posted November 30, 2023 Share 2 minutes ago, peetwindhoek said: Since that post showing Drikus' moving average around 2 hours ago, he has increased that even more and sitting at 27.4km/h now! Bliksem, mind blowing stuff. Is he drafting Ramses' record time? Or ... is the record drafting Drikus? peetwindhoek, ChrisF and Danger Dassie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted November 30, 2023 Share @gemmerbal's position has not updated for 2 hours. Shows 1km from WP3. Hopefully just a glitch with the tracking. Danger Dassie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted November 30, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, SSCC said: However, in a 1998 paper entitled “Cycling Uphill and Downhill” David P. Swain wrote: “At very slow speeds (on the order of 16 km/h or less) air resistance is negligible, and drafting becomes nearly meaningless.” >>> Plus holding the line on corrugated rough roads is more effort than it’s worth. if you disagree what year did you do the Munga and what was your moving time? Let us not conflate doing the Munga with having an exclusive knowledge on aerodynamics in cycling, Bru. One of the paradoxes in drafting is that even the front rider benefits from having someone on his or her rear tyre, depending on wind conditions. As someone mentioned, drafting has significant psychological benefits even if there is minuscule drafting benefit. The emotional comfort from sharing the road after many hours of toil cannot be measured. On a related note, I just wish all those who have entered the safest of passage and with no long-term damage to their physiology and psyche. Danger Dassie, lechatnoir, Vetplant and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanDiv Posted November 30, 2023 Share 2 minutes ago, The Ouzo said: @gemmerbal's position has not updated for 2 hours. Shows 1km from WP3. Hopefully just a glitch with the tracking. He looked lekker tired on his last Insta update video! I bet he is just taking a middagslapie to get out of the sun. Vetplant, gemmerbal, white tiger and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanDiv Posted November 30, 2023 Share Almost an hour since Willie Smit moved. Maybe also taking a nap at RV3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted November 30, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, SSCC said: However, in a 1998 paper entitled “Cycling Uphill and Downhill” David P. Swain wrote: “At very slow speeds (on the order of 16 km/h or less) air resistance is negligible, and drafting becomes nearly meaningless.” >>> Plus holding the line on corrugated rough roads is more effort than it’s worth. if you disagree what year did you do the Munga and what was your moving time? tjaainas going aero at TdF in 1998 TyronLab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted November 30, 2023 Share 2 hours ago, TyronLab said: How is that even possible. I come back from a solo 27kph/1hr road ride on my mountain bike and I've done a solid Z3 training session. How in the name of all things holy has he averaged that over 650km?!? Conditions being advantageous or not, that's a mind-bending pace. Out of interest, is the record time an actual recording of Ramses' traverse along the route, or just an average speed assumption based on his finishing time (similar to the cutoff marker)? If it's the former, Drikus is killing it. @Carlog also going well, only 1hr stopped so far and at ~430km. Strong riding! he is quite a beast https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/drikus-coetzee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted November 30, 2023 Share Thinus and Willie look like they're together, wonder if this could motivate them to closing the gap to Drikus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanDiv Posted November 30, 2023 Share 3 minutes ago, Shebeen said: he is quite a beast https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/drikus-coetzee First time he made me properly take note was when he won the 2022 36One in a new record time. His time was even 1 second faster than the first four-man RELAY team of David Garret, Johann Trotzky, Theuns van Bank & Andreas Studer. That was mindblowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanDiv Posted November 30, 2023 Share 2 minutes ago, Danger Dassie said: Thinus and Willie look like they're together, wonder if this could motivate them to closing the gap to Drikus? Willie's tracker is standing still at RV3 on my PC for more than an hour now? It shows Thinus is 10km up the road. Danger Dassie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie NL Posted November 30, 2023 Share 5 minutes ago, JohanDiv said: Willie's tracker is standing still at RV3 on my PC for more than an hour now? It shows Thinus is 10km up the road. Trackers are known to be nogal stadig in waking up at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted November 30, 2023 Share Just now, Ozzie NL said: Trackers are known to be nogal stadig in waking up at times Praat ons nog steeds van Munga nou? .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanDiv Posted November 30, 2023 Share 2 minutes ago, Ozzie NL said: Trackers are known to be nogal stadig in waking up at times Jip, but he was definitely taking an hour nap there. Started moving now.. 10km behind Thinus. Updated at the same time. Danger Dassie and ChrisF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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