javadude Posted July 24, 2007 Share Sad thing is, even with the drugs, these guys are still truly great athletes. Its a f%%$% up sport where you know you're a gifted athlete, and you also know you don't stand a chance if you dont dope. People can say what they want but i trully believe that this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewep Posted July 24, 2007 Share CSA dont give a sh*t... All they care about is your license fees. Dont hold your breath. But what can be done about this? Fire the whole lot and appoint Crux (or other REAL cyclists)as the main peanut and other peanuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted July 24, 2007 Share The tour will never see another clean winner ever' date=' not to say that anyone in the last 20 years was clean either.[/quote'] Except LA *stir.stir* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted July 24, 2007 Share Mr. Vino in my opinion should be a example- He should be banned from all cycling, or anything to do with cycling for life. He should experience the "Dark side of the Force" . He should not even be allowed to cycle on a social basis- TWIT!!!Vincent2007-07-24 13:40:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted July 24, 2007 Share Nope' date=' they all signed the contract. They should go after him with everything they have. Otherwise where does it end? Draw the line! Next I'll start believing that guys that I race against at a local league level are taking stuff.[/quote'] The way some of them climb redhill/helshoogte/etc i wouldnt be surprised.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishj9 Posted July 24, 2007 Share OMG! L'equipe will be dancing on his grave tomorrow..very sad...... Irishj92007-07-24 13:46:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie Posted July 24, 2007 Share 1. Could guys who rode super well in the past, but seem to be off this year actully be clean? Im thinking of Voight, Hincapie, Millar, Valverde. 2. Vino took dope to ride a super TT, what happened the next day? Did the give him the wrong bottle, or was his body rejecting the dope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Name Funrider Posted July 24, 2007 Share He did not take dope he had a blood transfusion containing some one elses stored blood;how can he have a transfusion night before TT ?he must have had it before tour started so how come he never tested pos. in other stages? how come E,quipe(french newspaper) released info betore UCI? NNF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted July 24, 2007 Share On average the speed of the tour is down compared to previous years. Fatigue is much more evident in riders this year, seemingly more than previous years. Fatigue leads to crashes, which also seem to be more evident. The only inference I can make, and this is based on observations as stated, I recon many have possibly used something in the past, but have not used in this Tour. You opinion? Vincent2007-07-24 13:49:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windbreaker Posted July 24, 2007 Share 1. Could guys who rode super well in the past' date=' but seem to be off this year actully be clean? Im thinking of Voight, Hincapie, Millar, Valverde.[/quote'] Looks like that could be right. Maybe the Sinkewitz & Vino thing may just have a positive outcome. Imagine if those who really didn't (ever the sucker ) dope got to Paris and thought "WTF ..." At least they may have some inclination that it can be cleaned up? Read David Millers response http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12910.0.html DavidMillar was the first rider to react to the news: "Jesus Christ - thereyou go, that's my quote," he blurted out. "What timing, huh? This isjust f**king great." AddressingIrish sportswriter Paul Kimmage, a former cyclist who exposed doping inpro cycling his 1990 book "Rough Ride" and made waves this year when hechallenged Vinokourov for working with notorious trainer MicheleFerrari at Astana's pre-race press conference, Millar said, "Well thereyou go, Paul." "Iwanted to believe it was a really good day [for Vinokourov]. It makesme very sad. Vino is one of my favorite riders. He's one of the mostbeautiful riders in the peloton. If a guy of his stature and class hasdone that, we all might as well pack our bags and go home right now." Millarlater backpedaled on that statement, saying, "The Tour de France shouldgo on. If it stops, I would have to retire tomorrow.""Theirony here is that I was hoping to make an announcement today about myfuture plans," Millar said, likely referring to rumors that next yearhe will ride for Slipstream Sports, the strict anti-doping squad run byJonathan Vaughters. "I have some projects in the works. I am hoping to work with young riders, to show them that you don't have to dope to succeed." Millarbroke down into tears when he was asked by British journalist JeremyWhittle if he was all right, saying, "I just feel like crying rightnow."Windbreaker2007-07-24 13:54:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Millar is a hypocrite, cheats like him are given a feeble 2 year (or less if you really use the system well) ban and are then welcomed back into sport with open arms, and now he?s complaining, LOL ....<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie Posted July 24, 2007 Share Also, CSC's GC guys, Sastre & Schleck seem to be a step behind, too. The French labs must be working overtime looking for something in Rasmusen's samples brfore the Tour ends, can the sport afford another Landis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windbreaker Posted July 24, 2007 Share Millar is a hypocrite' date=' cheats like him are given a feeble 2 year (or less if you really use the system well) ban and are then welcomed back into sport with open arms, and now he?s complaining, LOL .... [/quote']Maybe a bit harsh? Sure he cheated and served his ban but everything that he has done since would seem to suggest that he is serious about it? He even took a shot at Rasmussen a couple of days back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butafly Posted July 24, 2007 Share Windbreaker' date=' I dont want to get into a debate about what RH does. If he hasnt been caught he obviously doesnt take anything. End of Discussion.[/quote']Well then you need to be a bit more circumspect about making sweeping, all-inclusive statements. Chunky, you can't have it both ways. You either come out with everything or you shut up! Your choice. Ill shut up And that is more than half the problem. If you gave half a toss about the sport, considering you experience already, then you need to consider why it is that you don't contribute in a positive manner. Unless of course, you also stand to lose personally/financially. oh go fart somewhere else - you boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest colonel Posted July 24, 2007 Share Well soon by I say the next 2 years there wont be any more doping with EPO etc etc they will all be dong genetic doping, which will come into place I rekon by the Beijing Olympics. Its being tested now and there is no trace or test for it so all the doping worries will be over.Top Athletes ALL dope from Chess to Ten-pin bowling its a fact and nothing will stop people wanting to dope in sport and get ahead and make a living for their 10year window. Its reality unfotunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Millar is a hypocrite' date=' cheats like him are given a feeble 2 year (or less if you really use the system well) ban and are then welcomed back into sport with open arms, and now he?s complaining, LOL .... [/quote']Maybe a bit harsh? Sure he cheated and served his ban but everything that he has done since would seem to suggest that he is serious about it? He even took a shot at Rasmussen a couple of days back. Ok so he's just a hypocrite then Thats half the problem he has nothing to fear, 2 years ago he was the villian and now everyone feels sorry for him - so if Vino, Basso, Ullrich ect... get a 2 year ban should they be welcomed back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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