Formula 1...

[Pure Savage]

Looks like daddy bought his kid a Merc and painted it pink.

Lekker!!

[Long Wheel Base]

Looks like daddy bought his kid a Merc and painted it pink.

What are those pods on the side of the air intake? Cameras? sensors?

Bar those pods, you right, the cars look identical.

[SeaBee]

Superficially very similar yes.

 

Front wing vanes differ, huge difference in sidepod air intake. Overhead air intake also smaller on RP for some reason, maybe rules required it due to those round thingies - because you'd obviously want to maximize that. 

 

Can't even see the rear of the car or the barge board sections.

[Baldrick]

So Merc has a dodgy steering wheel. Nothing new about that.

My Golf 35 years ago had the same problem. I could pull the wheel backwards and forwards. Sometimes I turned left and the car went right.

[Long Wheel Base]

So Merc has a dodgy steering wheel. Nothing new about that.

My Golf 35 years ago had the same problem. I could pull the wheel backwards and forwards. Sometimes I turned left and the car went right.

I was watching that video of LH pushing and pulling the steering wheel and at first I couldn't really see what was going on but eventually after about the 50th time watching it I saw it. Talk about team sky marginal games.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

I was watching that video of LH pushing and pulling the steering wheel and at first I couldn't really see what was going on but eventually after about the 50th time watching it I saw it. Talk about team sky marginal games.

 

Thing is they are adjusting ride height in the process which is illegal.

Yes the aero adjusts ride height, but that is allowed for within certain limits.

 

It is good to see boundaries being pushed but I bet this will be ruled out before Melbourne.......

[SeaBee]

Thing is they are adjusting ride height in the process which is illegal.

Yes the aero adjusts ride height, but that is allowed for within certain limits.

 

It is good to see boundaries being pushed but I bet this will be ruled out before Melbourne.......

That's because it does not "adjust" it, it alters ride-height by the way it works. And it's the same for all. Not manual adjustment. My view...

Still must look at this steering wheel thing over the weekend, did not have time when I saw it this morning - thanks Eskom... 

[ScottCM]

F1 coming to SA at Joburg Festival

 

https://supersport.com/motorsport/formula1/news/200220_F1_coming_to_SA_at_Joburg_Festival

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Thing is they are adjusting ride height in the process which is illegal.

Yes the aero adjusts ride height, but that is allowed for within certain limits.

 

It is good to see boundaries being pushed but I bet this will be ruled out before Melbourne.......

https://youtu.be/U_uKHNJLSQs 

 

 

 

These explain it quite nicely.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

[IceCreamMan]

Looks like daddy bought his kid a Merc and painted it pink.

 

Couple of years ago the idea was thrown around that to save costs teams should make their tech available to all other teams, at a cost but available. Probably a good idea. Also been rumoured that the Haas team were essentially Ferraris at one stage iirc. The do get away with far less personnel etc. so plausible. 

 

Looking forward to a good season, lots of close dicing and controversy. Like it or not Max has brought an element to F1 that was sorely lacking. And the lad knows racing.

Edited February 21, 2020 by IceCreamMan

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

That's because it does not "adjust" it, it alters ride-height by the way it works. And it's the same for all. Not manual adjustment. My view...

Still must look at this steering wheel thing over the weekend, did not have time when I saw it this morning - thanks Eskom... 

 

Haven't watched the posted video above yet, but my view is that you are willfully adjusting the ride height through your actions, and it is not unintentional at all. They know by doing this we affect that. 

With Aero, it is a consequence (initially unintended when aero first started and downforce was low and unintended, only slipperiness through the air) which has been addressed by the rules.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Haven't watched the posted video above yet, but my view is that you are willfully adjusting the ride height through your actions, and it is not unintentional at all. They know by doing this we affect that. 

With Aero, it is a consequence (initially unintended when aero first started and downforce was low and unintended, only slipperiness through the air) which has been addressed by the rules.

Also adjusts the toe of the front wheels to aid in heat generation / moderation of the front tyres. That's teh primary function of the push / pull feature, from what I've seen. 

[SeaBee]

Haven't watched the posted video above yet, but my view is that you are willfully adjusting the ride height through your actions, and it is not unintentional at all. They know by doing this we affect that. 

With Aero, it is a consequence (initially unintended when aero first started and downforce was low and unintended, only slipperiness through the air) which has been addressed by the rules.

SK - sorry, I was not clear... I was talking about aero in my post, not this steering thing. Since I haven't watched it, I don't have opinion on it yet.

And yes, we're saying the same. Aero causes a ride height alteration due to it working, not a manually manipulated ride height change.

[SeaBee]

Okay, I've watched it now. Soooo, in my (personal) opinion... it's genius! 

 

Firstly, to clarify - it does not alter ride height. It alters toe-in.

 

The objecting comments initially was to altering suspension whilst driving. Still valid. That IS suspension being altered.

 

My first thought when I read through the process was - why the heck did they not jsimply make it a button on the wheel?! Then there was a comment about the alteration of the suspension being "fully mechanical". So that would mean that there's rules prohibiting this being done "by button". Genial interpretation of the bylaws in that case. 

 

What was brilliant for me was Seb's very politically worded response. And I won't go into depth about that, because every would have read it most likely. Veeeery clever on his behalf as well. 

 

Will be watching with interest. Because in all honesty, if Merc stole the march on this... the (front) tyre war is already won. Like it or not.

[Long Wheel Base]

Okay, I've watched it now. Soooo, in my (personal) opinion... it's genius! 

 

Firstly, to clarify - it does not alter ride height. It alters toe-in.

 

The objecting comments initially was to altering suspension whilst driving. Still valid. That IS suspension being altered.

 

My first thought when I read through the process was - why the heck did they not jsimply make it a button on the wheel?! Then there was a comment about the alteration of the suspension being "fully mechanical". So that would mean that there's rules prohibiting this being done "by button". Genial interpretation of the bylaws in that case. 

 

What was brilliant for me was Seb's very politically worded response. And I won't go into depth about that, because every would have read it most likely. Veeeery clever on his behalf as well. 

 

Will be watching with interest. Because in all honesty, if Merc stole the march on this... the (front) tyre war is already won. Like it or not.

I didn't. What did he say?

[bertusras]

It is super super smart actually. I'm sure there would be a regulation that says you're not allowed any adjustments via electronics or hydraulics. And in the end it's actually a very simple system. I love things like this.

 

Interpretation of the rules is so important. It's similar to Ducati's scoop in MotoGP last year. The rule said you're not allowed to affix aerodynamic devices to the swingarm. So they said it's a cooling device for the rear tyre, which coincidentally also might possibly have aero effects. Smart.

 

My favourite kind of hole is a loophole.