Eldron Posted August 22, 2011 Share Eldron's advice. If you're a pro where your training time is limited only by what your body can cope with then cross training is the way to go. If, like the rest of us, your training is limited by time then do the discipline you want to be best at - there are no short cuts. If you're a 6 hour a week kinda guy then swapping one of those hours doing cross training is a waste of valuable time. For injuries cross training is a brilliant tool. In general running will make you a better runner and cycling will make you a better cyclist - crazy huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerons Posted August 22, 2011 Share Funny I said that I am not looking to argue.And then the attitude Where is your proof (evidence), firstly.C'mon now, play the game properly, isn't that what forums are for. My time here is done.@ Knobbymech ride your @$$ of ,you will strike gold at Comrades. @Cameroon es, if you want facts, ask me nicely and I will decide whether I would want to waste my time spending long winded messages to your fact finding mission. No attitude was intended, sorry if you read it as such. You said you are not looking to argue and neither was I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontie Posted August 22, 2011 Share Cycling does just about nothing for running fitness. No google searches - just experience. I ran a bit and cyceld a lot for Ironman training. I got : - beaten by my wife in a marathon 2 months before IM (she doesn't cycle, but runs 80km per week and has done so for the last 4-5 years) - beaten by the marathon in the IM. Running does definitely benefit cycling though, no research, just how I experienced it. Camerons - care to reveal your sources or paste links for soem bedtiem reading? Edited August 22, 2011 by bontie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest agteros Posted August 22, 2011 Share This is completely different to how I've understood it because most runners are limited by their legs and the injury risk from exercising their aerobic systems as much as they could and adding the cycling allows it to happen. However a cyclist is not limited in the same way so can get the full aerobic load just on the bike so they don't run. Rule of thumb:Running HRmax (base - lets use ~180 for example) - this from my track interval running sessionsRoad Cycling HRmax is running HRmax less ~15 (it is on the Polar website, born out by my own measurements as well) MTB HRmax is somewhere in between, I'd say about in the middle third, most probably closer to running than road cycling though) - based on some personal Nissan series data from last year Heart works harder in running as there is more muscle groups (whole body) that need to be fed oxygen and nutrients, compared to road cycling where basically only quads need to be fed .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac.A Posted August 22, 2011 Share Same thing with most sports that are more physical than cycling, after a term of Rowing i could stand up peddling much longer and at a higher intensity/more watts. Cross training definitely helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerons Posted August 22, 2011 Share Cycling does just about nothing for running fitness. No google searches - just experience. I ran a bit and cyceld a lot for Ironman training. I got : - beaten by my wife in a marathon 2 months before IM (she doesn't cycle, but runs 80km per week and has done so for the last 4-5 years) - beaten by the marathon in the IM. Running does definitely benefit cycling though, no research, just how I experienced it. Camerons - care to reveal your sources or paste links for soem bedtiem reading? My experience is the opposite. I cycle a lot and can run at the drop of a hat. As mentioned in an earlier post I did an IM Marathon without having run a single step. Unfortunately I cannot find the study I read at the time when I injured myself and did the above (convinient for me I know) but I will attempt to track it down. I know a lot of triathletes (a couple of whom are also coaches) and amongst them it seems to be a commonly held opinion that cycling will keep your legs strong for running and running will not keep your legs strong from cycling. I think Eldron said it best. Run to be a good runner and cycle to be a good cyclist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cois Posted August 22, 2011 Share I started jogging after a fall at the beginning of the year. Stopped after I got a bad case of flu.I tried to do about 5km per day 4 times per week. Worked well till the winter where I went to the gym and started spinning. Worked wonders on the spinning bike. Stronger and more composed on the bike. Can ride a much higher wattage than I did before I started jogging. Will start training I hope this weekend again, and I must say... I will rather take the jogging shoes out the box than the cycling shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnobbyMech Posted August 22, 2011 Share @Camerons: I Value your opinion and advise and I agree that cycling fitness does help a little for running. But only a little. I am a pretty fit cyclist, but I find it tough to do 5min/km on the run, even on just a 10km run. If I did not cycle at all, I am sure I would not be able to run 2km. So yes, some help there. I must agree more with @Dangle, @Agteros, @etc, though. I have seen some runners joining us on the odd cycle and then keeping up pretty well. I cannot imagine any of our group of non-running cyclist doing the same with the runners group on an odd run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cois Posted August 22, 2011 Share @Camerons: I Value your opinion and advise and I agree that cycling fitness does help a little for running. But only a little. I am a pretty fit cyclist, but I find it tough to do 5min/km on the run, even on just a 10km run. If I did not cycle at all, I am sure I would not be able to run 2km. So yes, some help there. I must agree more with @Dangle, @Agteros, @etc, though. I have seen some runners joining us on the odd cycle and then keeping up pretty well. I cannot imagine any of our group of non-running cyclist doing the same with the runners group on an odd run.The first 5K run I did, I almost died, then two hours after the stroll I wanted to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted August 22, 2011 Share I am not an expert, but I find that cycling helps with cardio fitness for running. When I do little sprints during a run, I can knock the socks off my running mates, even if I can't run as consistently fast or far as them. As for running helping cycling, I don't see much - except for when I need to run with the bike in an MTB event. My main sport is cycling, but I do two 1-1.5 hour runs per week for a little impact and to do something different. I couldn't do running as my main sport as it's really boring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac.A Posted August 22, 2011 Share I did my 1st 10km run earlier in the year after not much training.But i am sure that the cycling helped a lot and also that i knew the course because many rides go over it. (Milkwood over slangkop.) But the various disciplines will definitely help each other at least in lung capacity if not anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugee Posted August 22, 2011 Share This is a very interesting topic. I have no scientific evidence but I must say what I saw the last couple of weeks amazed me. A month and a half ago a friend of mine bought herself a MTB after doing a ride with me the previous weekend and falling in love with the sport. Now previously she was running twice a week with half marathon events over weekends. Now she runs twice a week and does weekend warrior type rides over weekends Almost immediately after buying the bike she did the burger MTB 42km and found it to be a little too easy. This weekend she did the koringberg 70km and finished it with a average speed of just below 15km/h Born a freak of nature? Does running actually help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted August 22, 2011 Share Having a irregular work schedule I often find it difficult to have a set routine for training and quite often as a result, a restricted training regime.Have found that running once or twice a week definitely helps, Old Parks and Wanderers have 5km and 8km on Tues/Thurs.These are really good as being a TT and a group of people you tend to push yourself a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest agteros Posted August 22, 2011 Share I am not an expert, but I find that (1) cycling helps with cardio fitness for running. When I do little sprints during a run, I can knock the socks off my running mates, even if I can't run as consistently fast or far as them. (2) As for running helping cycling, I don't see much - except for when I need to run with the bike in an MTB event. My main sport is cycling, but I do two 1-1.5 hour runs per week for a little impact and to do something different. I couldn't do running as my main sport as it's really boring... (1) I'll agree, on condition of that it is the LSD type of stuff.(2) So I did a semi decent 94.7 on 12 IDT sessions (and a bit of running, which counted for naught)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaccelari Posted August 22, 2011 Share (1) I'll agree, on condition of that it is the LSD type of stuff.(2) So I did a semi decent 94.7 on 12 IDT sessions (and a bit of running, which counted for naught)?Phew! Luckily I put the disclaimer up front! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Any sport that improves your overall fitness, will benefit your primary sport. FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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